---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20170320104619@telecom-digest.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:58:19 -0000 From: Anonymous Contributor <anonymous@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Re: VoIP Equipment Grounding > Message-ID: <20170320012655.GA14599@telecom.csail.mit.edu> > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:26:55 -0400 > From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> > Subject: VoIP Equipment Grounding > Thanks for reading this. I need information about grounding, and I'd > appreciate your help. Feel free to anonymize and stick in the digest - I'm out of practice at that. I did COE Power ages ago, and this is how they did it. There are Good Reasons why they all have landscaping around the building - trees, bushes and lawns... You need a systemic solution. Don't spend a ton of money on IEEE standards - Look at the grounding & bonding rules in National Electrical Code. That is available for far less and applies everywhere just the same - Some cities like Los Angeles write far stricter rules that override the NEC, call and ask and they'll gladly tell you. Other small towns or counties just say "We hereby adopt NEC 2014 (or 2011, sometimes even further back...) in total by reference as the City Electrical Codes" and Boom, we're done. Some take the middle route and adopt it With Exceptions. Usually after somebody gets killed by a loophole nobody could plan for... And if it really is power surges, correcting and beefing up the grounding network is the only true solution. Because I've seen lots of houses and businesses (for instance HOA Clubhouse with Spa and Swimming Pool) with bad or totally missing grounds, no ground bond between natural gas and master ground system, and they replumb with Copper and leave the building ground bonds all attached "in common" to the disconnected galvanized pipes... Then the utility neutral line to the utility transformer (AL Wire is notorious for burning clean off or corroding so it goes bad {Aluminum Oxide} to a loose and megohm-resistance connection in a split-bolt but looks just fine...), the ground rod resistance sucks, and you've got over 100V of phantom power on that building ground. And since they go around the building and tie their Telco Ground common with the building power ground, any surges can go backwards the same way they go forwards. ;-) It's a 30 or 40 year old building (Or more) what do you expect? Power works, they never touch it till it stops working. I've gotten calls with reports of "swimmers getting zapped off the pool ladder" because the building ground is hot, that pool ladder is bonded through the pool grounds to that energized ground line, and the pool water is an actual ground, and there's gradient current that can actually kill if they get across it just right. And if you don't make a perfect path you Really Know It. Whooee! Also happens in Marinas and Docks, and can kill swimmers next to a boat or dock that is miswired or deliberately crosswired and no functional GFCI protection, with hot hull fittings or steel conduit under the dock dipping into the water. Or you have very high ground resistance - sandy soil in a desert in drought conditions, and a single 8' x 1/2" OD copper plated steel ground rod in dry dirt right under the power panel might as well not even be there at all. The Utility Neutral line will cover that up for decades, till it goes bad too. Get a ground resistance tester and see what you've got - you drive a few resistance reference rods out 10 to 20 feet and run it like a Megger. It'll tell the customer what they don't want to hear - but they need to hear. First step to a proper solution is to dig a trench around the entire building at about 10' out from the walls, and put in a continuous ring of at least #4 bare on IIRC a 100A service, if not bigger if the building has a bigger power service - there's a chart in the back #2 for residential 200A service, #1 for 200A 1Ph Commercial, etc. And a chart for the minimum sizes and count of ground rods. And the local utility and local Authorities Having Jurisdiction (IE City or County Building and Safety) may be more stringent - it may have been enough grounding when they built that shack as a supply point for the local Telco workers 60 years ago, but it sure isn't enough now that it's been converted into a mini Central Office and they know it - and now you're having troubles. You may be able to get the AHJ to cite the building owner for substandard grounding and force them to get it fixed, or the Power Utility has the Power of the Power Meter, they can pull the meter and kill the building if it's unsafe, because they know they'll get sued if someone dies. "You have 60 days to get this properly bonded and turn in the Permit sign-off sheet, or we turn off the power, because Safety" works wonders. Connect your ground loop to the building power panels, all other utilities (water, Gas, etc.) and to the Telco main ground bar. Compression C-taps OK, Thermite Welding more better but a big pain in the keister. And check all your connections with that ground resistance tester. Splices and ground rods should be in handholes so you can find and inspect them later. They make handhole lids marked GROUNDING Then put a tree well about every 10' and plant a ground rod and tie to the ring, and put a sprinkler line connecting them all and put a sprinkler head in that corner. Dig out the sandy soil down about 6' or so with a backhoe and dump in some real topsoil and a scoop of Bandini mixed in, and plant a tree, or some bushes, or a lawn. Place a sprinkler timer that runs those sprinklers at least a few minutes a day, even after the tree is established just cut it to minimum, and make it clear to the owners and to the city this is Not Optional - you're watering the darn ground rods if nothing else. Heck, if there's Reclaimed Water Mains available make them hook up to them and buy a pile of the Purple Sprinkler Pipe and a bunch of the "Reclaimed Water - Do Not Drink" signs. And be sure to direct the downspouts, HVAC Condensate drains and the water heater relief valve line into the closest tree wells too, water is water. If you have a surplus of water sources all in one place, run landscape drains in Perf Pipe between the wells to spread the wealth, and dump at the property line curb at the low end. Now go check your ground resistance readings again, and I guarantee it'll look a whole lot better. Drive by every so often (or get the phone number of the neighbors, and ask them to call you) to make sure they didn't let it all die on you, or the troubles will start again. --<< Anonymous >>-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1703201258260.12942@panix5.panix.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:00:59 -0400 From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> Subject: copper wire circuits to central offices was such a quaint notion Verizon just filed official doc's to "retire" a whole big bunch of copper based facilities. This one refers to their NY operation, with lots of NYC "wire centers" going bye bye. "Verizon plans to retire a number of copper facilities and replace them with fiber facilities to provide services over its fiber-to- the-home network infrastructure" https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-343939A1.docx https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-343939A1.txt https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-343939A1.pdf FCC filings are often available in Microsoft Word, quasi text, and pdf formats. The URLs are identical except for the trailing portion. _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <e05f1fdc-2bdb-8101-3a40-eec3855a1ad9@annsgarden.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:56:26 -0500 From: Neal McLain <nmclain.remove-this@and-this-too.annsgarden.com> Subject: Ninth Circuit Reverses FilmOn X Decision Ninth Circuit Reverses FilmOn X Decision By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable, March 21, 2017 Defers to Copyright Office that internet retransmissions aren't analogous to cable In a victory for broadcasters, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has reversed a lower court decision that FilmOn X was eligible for the same compulsory license to TV programming as cable operators have. In the decision, released Tuesday, the appeals court held that "a service that captures copyrighted works broadcast over the air, and then retransmits them to paying subscribers over the Internet without the consent of the copyright holders, is not a 'cable system' eligible for a compulsory license under the Copyright Act." http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/ninth-circuit-reverses-filmon-x-decision/164275 -or- http://tinyurl.com/BC164275 Neal McLain ------------------------------ ********************************************* End of telecom Digest Thu, 23 Mar 2017