---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20170922224838.5344.qmail@ary.lan> Date: 22 Sep 2017 22:48:38 -0000 From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> Subject: Re: RoboCaller now Showing Legitimate Numbers in CallerID In article <tuj5sch26oense75jtore0ljb3mr3389aa@4ax.com> you write: >Per John Levine: >> >> No, they could script that. > >"Please press 1 for Joe, 2 for Sue, 3 for Sam...... 9 to really talk >to somebody" and take a predetermined action on the first wrong >keypress? > >I can imagine a scripting scenario using voice recognition, but it's >pretty involved. You're thinking too hard. The calls are free to the spammer, call ten times and press different digits. >[It's called] "Ringless Voicemail." Very annoying, not new. R's, John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20170924200119.GA25370@telecom.csail.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 16:01:19 -0400 From: Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> Subject: Re: RoboCaller now Showing Legitimate Numbers in CallerID On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Pete Cresswell wrote: > Per Bill Horne: > >That's less of a problem with "Millennial" customers, who tend to > >ignore their phone's voice-mail and rely on texts or caller ID to > >determine who gets a callback. > > I has avoided texting - going so far as to remove the capability from my > tMob account - for years since getting scammed via text. > > Finally saw the light last year and find it extremely useful for quick > communications. > > And, now that you mention it, it does sort of embody a de-facto > challenge-response.... so score one more for texting. My son and his friends - all Millennials - haven't checked their voice mails for years. Every time I tried to leave a message for him, I got a "mailbox is full" message. There is a good aspect to my discomfort: the millenialls have, by some process I don't undertstand but I do very much appluad - decided that other people should not be able to offload their call list onto those who don't choose to answer them when they call. I've always scoffed at the notion that some marketer was entitled to demand that everyone who uses a phone must arrange for others to be able to leave them messages that are, for the most part, an imposition of someone else's social, political, or moral agenda onto my to-do list. I have voice mail now, because there is no cell-phone plan which does not include it. A smart move by the cell carriers, of course, since checking voice mail marks up their profits minute-by-minute: but they've not yet figured out how to deal with the collective sneer that the millennials have returned in response to their parents' example of slavish acceptance of a social contract that was imposed without their consent. Bill -- Bill Horne (Remove QRM from my email address to write to me directly) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3A6A9F16-2544-479C-9339-35F26BD0FFA5@roscom.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:41:52 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Apple's new OS version causing discomfort for snapchat users Ios 11 has introduced a Snapchat loophole that is allowing people to secretly record other users' "snaps." Apple's new iOS 11 update has introduced an iPhone feature that has unsettling ramifications for Snapchat users. The operating system's new screen record function is allowing some Snapchat users to record other people's snaps without alerting them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/09/20/ios-11-has-introduced-snapchat-loophole-allowing-people-secretly/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3giasc99o76aa0o2ggkdu4aafinek51urn@4ax.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:47:49 -0400 From: Pete Cresswell <PeteCress@invalid.telecom-digest.org> Subject: Re: RoboCaller now Showing Legitimate Numbers in CallerID Per Bill Horne: >That's less of a problem with "Millennial" customers, who tend to >ignore their phone's voice-mail and rely on texts or caller ID to >determine who gets a callback. I has avoided texting - going so far as to remove the capability from my tMob account - for years since getting scammed via text. Finally saw the light last year and find it extremely useful for quick communications. And, now that you mention it, it does sort of embody a de-facto challenge-response.... so score one more for texting. I have had pretty good luck with NoMoRobo and rejecting calls with no CallerID on my FIOS landline - and I have my land line set up so that the only voicemail that I actually use is the little hardware box that I have hung on the line.... so I guess I am more-or less immune on the landline. But I *have* been getting voicemails on my cell phone that do not seem to correspond with any ring on the phone. OTOH, I do not know enough to say for sure that they are ringless messages. But just the idea that a major political party feels immune to backlash from essentially making everybody's voicemail useless by virtue of becoming a spam conduit is kind of shocking. Those guys are not stupid and they are probably making an informed judgment of the tradeoffs.... and the tradeoffs apparently do not favor us peasants. -- Pete Cresswell ------------------------------ ********************************************* End of telecom Digest Mon, 25 Sep 2017