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| Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:58:56 -0700
From: John Reiser <jreiserfl@comcast.net>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID is my own name/number?
Message-ID: <3umdnWO5DNUMUKTInZ2dnUVZ57ydnZ2d@giganews.com>
>> [fake CallerID] is ALREADY against the law. What can passing more laws accomplish?
>>
>> Specifically, the Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009, aka Public Law
>> 111-331
By itself, soliciting to induce a sale of goods or services is not fraud,
does not cause harm, nor seek to obtain wrongfully something of value;
and thus is not prohibited by that law. Often it is called "advertising."
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| Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: HAncock4 <withheld@invalid.telecom-digest.org>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: History - Western Union/Stuckey's motorist messaging
Message-ID: <e39d0d70-d0dd-40b5-a53b-3c572e41130c@googlegroups.com>
The following is paraphrased from the June 11, 1973, Western Union
Newsletter. (I do not believe the newsletter is available on-line.)
In 1973, the Stuckey's roadside restaurant chain implemented a
computerized messaging service for motorists. "HELPS"--Highway
Emergency Locating Paging Service utilized a Western Union private
wire system to connect to its 350 outlets. At each outlet, there
was a CRT terminal kisok.
A party wishing to contact a traveller calls the HELPS message
center in Eastman, GA. They give the phone number of the traveller
and the number to be called.
A traveller enters his home phone number into the terminal, and the
system advised the phone number he is to call. The article did not
indicate if any other information could be left in the message, or
what the service fees were, if any.
Anyone ever see this system in use?
* * * *
Western Union, as we know, once could accept telegrams at many
railroad stations and airports. Further, at staffed Western Union
desks and offices, travellers could receive cash wired to them by
family or friends (money by wire is the service offered by today's
Western Union.) While highway rest stops usually had a battery of
pay phones, I always wondered if Western Union had desks, agent
arrangements, or coin collectors at major turnpike service plazas
(I don't recall seeing any.)
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| Date: 24 Apr 2015 02:20:53 -0000
From: "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID is my own name/number?
Message-ID: <20150424022053.15282.qmail@ary.lan>
>Well, I am not a lawyer, so I can't argue the law. However, I doubt
>that the current law(s) have any meaningful teeth in them, or the
>problem wouldn't be occuring.
Fake caller-id is a difficult technical problem. The FTC is giving it
a lot of attention, and it'll be a large part of the agenda at the
upcoming meeting of the intergovenmental London Action Plan in Dublin
in June.
The problem is that the SS7 signalling network was designed in an era
when there were relatively few phone companies, and they were all well
behaved. These days, anyone with a VoIP switch can inject CLID data
and while most providers behave themselves, some don't, and the system
provides no easy way to trace the bad data back to the source. Even
worse, through the magic of the intertubes, even if the person calling
you is in the US, the call may be routed through a sleazy provider in
another country.
The regulators are putting pressure on the telcos to clean up, and to
provide the tools to catch the bad guys, but it's a long slog. People
who work for the FTC get the same junk calls as anyone else and are
just as annoyed by them as the rest of us.
R's,
John
***** Moderator's Note *****
Ironically, SS7 was put into service to reduce Blue Box fraud, which
was made possible because those whom designed the network couldn't
conceive of a future where someone would break the rules for
commercial gain. It just wasn't in their world-view.
Sort of like the Internet ...
Bill Horne
Moderator
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| Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 20:46:28 -0400
From: Denver Gingerich <denver@remove-this.ossguy.com>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID is my own name/number?
Message-ID: <CAB7eHu3bn1Q64cQzgjUchG75SfH-U1yvzygjA5Ced3w6VaR-Ow@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Bill Horne <bill@horneqrm.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 04:07:27PM -0700, Duncan Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 06:44:26PM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
>>> I suggest you write to your Congressman and Senators, and tell them
>>> that you want them to pass a law making it illegal to falsify Caller
>>> ID information.
>>
>> It's ALREADY against the law. What can passing more laws accomplish?
>>
>> Specifically, the Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009, aka Public Law
>> 111-331, says:
>>
>> 111-331> It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States,
>> 111-331> in connection with any telecommunications service or
>> 111-331> IP-enabled voice service, to cause any caller identification
>> 111-331> service to knowingly transmit misleading or inaccurate caller
>> 111-331> identification information with the intent to defraud, cause
>> 111-331> harm, or wrongfully obtain anything of value, unless such
>> 111-331> transmission is exempted pursuant to paragraph (3)(B).
>
> Well, I am not a lawyer, so I can't argue the law. However, I doubt
> that the current law(s) have any meaningful teeth in them, or the
> problem wouldn't be occuring.
To be fair, we haven't determined whether the OP was called by someone
"with the intent to defraud, cause harm, or wrongfully obtain anything
of value". Once we determine that, then we know if the call was
illegal.
Denver
http://ossguy.com/
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| Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 20:19:11 -0700
From: John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID is my own name/number?
Message-ID: <mhccms$jqi$1@blue-new.rahul.net>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 06:44:26PM -0400, Bill Horne wrote:
>>> I suggest you write to your Congressman and Senators, and tell them
>>> that you want them to pass a law making it illegal to falsify Caller
>>> ID information.
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 04:07:27PM -0700, Duncan Smith wrote:
>> It's ALREADY against the law. What can passing more laws accomplish?
>>
>> Specifically, the Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009, aka Public Law
>> 111-331, says:
> [snip]
On 2015-04-23 16:18, Bill Horne wrote:
> Well, I am not a lawyer, so I can't argue the law. However, I doubt
> that the current law(s) have any meaningful teeth in them, or the
> problem wouldn't be occuring.
The problem is that the average person receiving a call with faked CID
has no way to find out where the call actually came from, nor even to
give that info to law enforcement. The Custom Calling feature Call
Trace is supposed to do the latter, but every telco I know about refuses
to do their part of the job, since they regard junk calls of all types
as paying traffic and refuse to cooperate in stopping it.
Thus, if there's any law whose passage can help, it needs to be directed
at compelling the victim's dial tone provider to cooperate in the
tracing process -- or possibly at compelling telcos that serve
businesses to authenticate (and if necessary change) the caller ID the
business's PBX sends out.
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| Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:00:54 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Apple details how it rebuilt Siri on Mesos
Message-ID: <5BB46F45-73E5-4F09-91A8-EBA5A0F91C7B@roscom.com>
Apple details how it rebuilt Siri on Mesos
Apple announced during a Wednesday night meetup at its Cupertino,
California, headquarters that the company's popular Siri application
is powered by Apache Mesos.
We at Mesosphere are obviously thrilled about Apple's public
validation of the technology on which our Datacenter Operating System
is based. If Apple trusts Mesos to underpin Siri - a complex
application that handles Apple-only-knows-how-many voice queries per
day from hundreds of millions of iPhone and iPad users - that says a
lot about how mature Mesos is and how ready it is to make a big impact
in companies of all stripes.
https://mesosphere.com/blog/2015/04/23/apple-details-j-a-r-v-i-s-the-mesos-framework-that-runs-siri/
-or-
http://goo.gl/14y3C3
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| Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:29:01 -0400
From: "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com>
To: telecomdigestsubmissions.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Caller ID is my own name/number?
Message-ID: <elmop-49B6DE.06290124042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
In article <20150423224426.GA23372@telecom.csail.mit.edu>,
Bill Horne <bill@horneQRM.net> wrote:
> I suggest you write to your Congressman and Senators, and tell them
> that you want them to pass a law making it illegal to falsify Caller
> ID information.
I use Viatalk VoIP. Its control panel allows me to deal with inbound
calls in a variety of ways.
Whenever I get a scammer, I immediately go in and have that number
redirected to my US senator's office.
Should they call again, they'll go to him, not me.
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