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The Telecom Digest for May 9, 2013
Volume 32 : Issue 100 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Verizon phasing out copper (MC Bouman)
Re: Verizon phasing out copper (unknown)
CLECs (Tom Metro)
Customers petition Verizon to nix wireless contracts (Bill Horne)

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Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 07:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: MC Bouman <mcbouman.remove-this@and-this-too.yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Verizon phasing out copper Message-ID: <1367419719.80317.YahooMailClassic@web125606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Since the cost of labor far exceeds the value of the salvaged material, I smell the stench of graft.
Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 21:39:52 -0400 From: unknown <no-reply@not-valid.telecom-digest.org> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Verizon phasing out copper Message-ID: <kmca5r$9dm$1@dont-email.me> Scott Dorsey wrote: > In article <kmauu6$mbr$1@dont-email.me>, > unknown <arnie.goetchius@invalid.domain> wrote: >> Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> unknown <arnie.goetchius@invalid.telecom-digest.org> wrote: >>>> tlvp wrote: >>>> Verizon says they won't re-build the copper plant in Mantoloking NJ >>>> after most of it was destroyed by Sandy. Instead they are providing >>>> telephone service through their new service called Verizon Voice Link. >>> >>> Umm... and they can provide the uptime and line quality demanded in the >>> POTS tariff with this gadget? >> >> I would guess not. I don't think the requirements of the POTS tariff >> would apply because this is a wireless service. > > So, you're saying that customers who were paying for POTS tariffed circuits > can suddenly be moved onto lower quality wireless services with no warning > and the PUC doesn't have anything to say about it? Voice Link is not regulated by the PUC, yet
Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 16:03:09 -0400 From: Tom Metro <tmetro+blu@remove-this.gmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: CLECs Message-ID: <518AAF7D.3090705@gmail.com> Moderator's Note: This was copied from another forum, with the author's permission. It's a branch in the "retiring copper" thread, replying to other posts concerning the failure of various CLEC's, but I don't have permission to repost the previous emails, so this post contains some paraphrasing. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ What is your theory for why CLECs failed, if not for being techno- logically surpassed? Keep in mind that there is more to CLECs than just DSL. You can't point to FiOS exclusively as explaining or not explaining the failure of CLECs, as the more broader trend which predates FiOS was the arrival of cable Internet, which made easy work of surpassing the DSL service that the telcos had been dragging their feet on. We seem to be repeating them same pattern now where existing broadband providers are dragging their feet on increasing speeds in order to milk the existing infrastructure for maximum profits, while Google Fiber comes along and makes it seem easy as pie to deliver 1 Gbps speed. It's hard to draw conclusion on the viability of the idea of shared infrastructure when you are talking about the 50+ year old copper plant that was on the verge of obsolescence when the CLECs started getting into the game. Fiber optics are a different animal. A fiber is a continuous piece of glass between the CO and the customer. The raw fiber has massive bandwidth capabilities. The equipment on the ends of that fiber can be upgraded to extend the capabilities for decades. More importantly, the vendor who maintains the plant has far less involvement in keeping that fiber running than the telcos did with copper. No patch bays, line amplifiers, corroded connections, splices under water in manholes, etc. A CLEC leasing your fiber could have their own termination equipment in the CO and their own customer premise equipment. The telco mostly just comes into the picture for installations and when a tree falls on a wire. -Tom -- Tom Metro Venture Logic, Newton, MA, USA "Enterprise solutions through open source." Professional Profile: http://tmetro.venturelogic.com/
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2013 11:45:00 -0400 From: bill@horneQRM.net (Bill Horne) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Customers petition Verizon to nix wireless contracts Message-ID: <KwTp0C.A.u0H.q2xiRB@telecom> (CNN) -- A movement urging Verizon to get rid of wireless contracts appears to be gaining steam. A petition calling for the carrier to end contracts for smartphones and "create an affordable way for consumers to purchase their devices" had attracted more than 60,000 signatures by Wednesday morning on Change.org, the online petition platform. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/tech/mobile/verizon-petition-contracts
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