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The Telecom Digest for December 19, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 323 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Voice mail auto delete (David Clayton)
Re: Voice mail auto delete (Robert Bonomi)
Re: Voice mail auto delete (David Clayton)
Reframing the Debate Over Using Phones Behind the Wheel (Monty Solomon)

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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:04:41 +1100 From: David Clayton <dcstarbox-usenet@yahoo.com.au> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Voice mail auto delete Message-ID: <pan.2011.12.18.01.04.38.759266@yahoo.com.au> Some people may be aware of the goings-on in the U.K. over "phone hacking" which led to the closure of the newspaper "News of the World" and is still the subject of a parliamentary commission. One thing which arose this week was in regard to an issue with "hacking" the private voice mail of a person to listen to their messages, specifically in regards to a missing person who's voice mail quota was full and rejecting new messages only to suddenly accept messages in the middle of the police investigation and misleading the police as to whether this person was actually still alive. The upshot was that when it was eventually discovered that the voice mail was hacked, the people doing the hacking were blamed for deleting the messages and therefore causing many other issues (apart from illegally accessing the voice mail). Now it is claimed that the voice mail messages would be deleted automatically and therefore the "hackers" were not responsible for the message deletions, but my understanding is that only played messages would be auto-deleted, not the unheard ones, but this could also vary with each network. If in this particular circumstance the played messages were subsequently auto-deleted to make space for new ones, then those doing the hacking were still responsible. Does anyone know what the current methods/rules are for the various voice mail services in use around the world? -- Regards, David. David Clayton Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:24:08 -0600 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Voice mail auto delete Message-ID: <EPednfrv4eNFoHPTnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <XgLG3B.A.8nF.Nwh7OB@telecom>, David Clayton <dcstarbox-usenet@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > >Now it is claimed that the voice mail messages would be deleted >automatically and therefore the "hackers" were not responsible for the >message deletions, but my understanding is that only played messages >would be auto-deleted, not the unheard ones, but this could also vary with >each network. I definitely varies by voice-mail service. On (at least) large-scale VM systems, e.g. 'Octel', there are configuration options to auto-delete messages -- 'heard' or 'un-heard' -- after a specified number of days; unless the message has specifically been marked as 'saved'. There is a 'system default' value, plus over-rides by 'class of service', and individual account. Small corporate VM systems may behave significantly differently.
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:36:02 +1100 From: David Clayton <dcstarbox-usenet@yahoo.com.au> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Voice mail auto delete Message-ID: <pan.2011.12.18.22.35.34.156250@yahoo.com.au> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:24:08 -0600, Robert Bonomi wrote: > In article <XgLG3B.A.8nF.Nwh7OB@telecom>, David Clayton > <dcstarbox-usenet@yahoo.com.au> wrote: >> >>Now it is claimed that the voice mail messages would be deleted >>automatically and therefore the "hackers" were not responsible for the >>message deletions, but my understanding is that only played messages >>would be auto-deleted, not the unheard ones, but this could also vary >>with each network. > > It definitely varies by voice-mail service. > > On (at least) large-scale VM systems, e.g. 'Octel', there are > configuration options to auto-delete messages -- 'heard' or 'un-heard' -- > after a specified number of days; unless the message has specifically > been marked as 'saved'. > > There is a 'system default' value, plus over-rides by 'class of service', > and individual account. > > Small corporate VM systems may behave significantly differently. That's what I would have thought, in the case I outlined it would have been a major UK telco so I assume that they would have a reasonable policy of retaining all unheard messages (which was implied by the statements of not being able to leave a new VM when it was full), but more than likely would auto-discard listened to messages (which was also implied by the ability to leave new VMs after the mailbox was "hacked"). I wonder if any UK readers of the CDT have any more info on this? -- Regards, David. David Clayton Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:00:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Reframing the Debate Over Using Phones Behind the Wheel Message-ID: <p06240858cb142a43b4f2@[10.0.1.3]> Reframing the Debate Over Using Phones Behind the Wheel By MATT RICHTEL December 17, 2011 For years, policy makers trying to curb distracted driving have compared the problem to drunken driving. The analogy seemed fitting, with drivers weaving down roads and rationalizing behavior that they knew could be deadly. But on Tuesday, in an emotional call for states to ban all phone use by drivers, the head of a federal agency introduced a new comparison: distracted driving is like smoking. The shift in language, in comments by Deborah Hersman, the chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, opened a new front in a continuing national conversation about a deadly habit that safety advocates are trying desperately, and with a growing sense of futility, to stop. Her new tack also echoes a growing consensus among scientists that using phones and computers can be compulsive, both emotionally and physically, which helps explain why drivers may have trouble turning off their devices even if they want to. In effect, they are saying that the running joke about BlackBerrys as "CrackBerrys" is more serious than people think. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/us/reframing-the-debate-over-using-phones-while-driving.html
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