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The Telecom Digest for August 18, 2011
Volume 30 : Issue 207 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: BART cuts off subway cell phone service(John Mayson)
Re: Verizon strike(Dave Garland)
Verizon Stirke - war of words(Lisa or Jeff)
Re: Extensions to pay phones?(Geoffrey Welsh)
Re: Extensions to pay phones?(Robert Bonomi)
Re: Extensions to pay phones?(Wes Leatherock)
Re: Verizon strike(Robert Bonomi)
Re: BART cuts off subway cell phone service(Gordon Burditt)
Avoid socializing by pretending to use your phone? You're not alone(Monty Solomon)
iOS devs pay $50,000 for collecting children's info in apps(Monty Solomon)

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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:43:24 -0500 From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: BART cuts off subway cell phone service Message-ID: <CALtjCn+AXPsmg3YkR_TR-js=hLT9X5=d5QumOhgAkV5VT4Uk0A@mail.gmail.com> Richard Stallman (head of the Free Software Foundation) is urging people to complain to the FCC about this. https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000F I'm not sure if this does any good. I personally am against BART's action unless they can convince me there's some compelling reason. Even then I'd be suspicious. John -- John Mayson <john@mayson.us> Austin, Texas, USA ***** Moderator's Note ***** The only thing you'll get from that website is typing practice: it's an online complaint form that will be, at best, filed and forgotten. If you want to complain effectively to the U.S. Government, send a hand-written letter to each of your Senators and your Representative in Congress. It must be written in your own handwriting, and sent via the Post Office, to have any weight: politicians learned long ago that voters who will take time to write by hand are going to take time to keep track of the answer they get. Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:13:57 -0500 From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Verizon strike Message-ID: <j2fm7r$muk$1@dont-email.me> On 8/16/2011 10:03 AM, Tom Horne wrote: > On Aug 15, 7:33 am, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote: >> In most areas you can get a 'naked' (no dial tone) DSL circuit. > > [Moderator snip] > >> Unlike a pair with 'dial tone', a field tech cannot tell whether >> [the] pair is 'in use' (meaning 'active', not 'off hook') by simply >> hooking a butt-set onto the pair, and 'listening' for voice, or >> dial-tone. There have been lots of 'naked' DSL circuit outages >> because a field tech unwittingly 'stole' an active pair to fix >> another problem. > > Lineman have been equipped with DSL detecting butt sets for many years > now. When the butt set is connected to a DSL signal pair it sounds an > alarm and / or will not go off hook. So accidental downing of DSL > service is no longer that much of a problem. Some Butt sets can even > function like a piggy back telephone and conduct voice calls without > downing the line. I own two such Harris sets. Perhaps, but a couple of weeks ago I had a (naked) DSL problem that the tech who came out blamed on just such a cause. "Well, I don't want to say anything against the [new ownership and name] company, but some of the contractors they hire don't recognize a DSL without dialtone..." Whether that was in fact the problem, I have no way to know. But he then went to the cabinet (2 blocks away) and came back and said "it's fixed". Dave
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa or Jeff <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Verizon Stirke - war of words Message-ID: <f05a758c-bae1-4c87-ac93-78f7820dea7d@d25g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> The Phila Inqr had a long article describing ad campaigns by both Verizon and the CWA to explain their position to the public. http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20110817_Verizon_strike_is_also_a_public_relations_fight.html
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:46:11 -0400 From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <gwelsh@spamcop.net> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Extensions to pay phones? Message-ID: <4e8ef$4e4bfe32$cf7076b7$25880@PRIMUS.CA> ***** Moderator's Note ***** 1FR is "Single party, Flat-rate Residential" service 1FB is "Single party, Flat-rate Business" service 1MB is "Single party, Measured Business" service Thanks... in Bell Canada territory we often saw "1FL" lines used for FAX or other standalone (i.e. not hunt group, DID trunk, etc.) purposes; Googling "1FL" turns up "one family phone line", but these were definitely business services charged at business rates (usually double or more the price of residential POTS service.) They were flat rate and the "L" could have stood for loop start... anyone know for sure? ***** Moderator's Note ***** I searched for "usoc code" and "1FL", and got this from the State of Kentucky website: 1FL- Flat rate line, business, two-way (for FX only) A Verizon page gives this definition, although it applies to the State of Connecticutt and has something to do with "clecsupport": (State) CT (Class of Service) 1FL (Type of Service) BUS (English Description) Flat Rate Service And, finalyy, in an FCC filing viewable at http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view.action?id=6515382651 , Sprint lists "1FL" as Individual -Business -Flat -without telephone -class of service Bill Horne Moderator
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:09:12 -0500 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Extensions to pay phones? Message-ID: <gZidnWP10Md1o9bTnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <20110815233805.99372.qmail@joyce.lan>, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>How common was it to offer flat rate to business subscribers? I can't >>help but suspect the majority of business subscribers (those within >>cities and larger towns) had message rate service. > >Pretty common outside the northeast and Chicago, as I recall. 'Flat rate' was the only Ameritech, nee Illinois Bell, business service in Chicago, up through the early-/mid-1980s. BIG stink when they forcibly converted businesses to 'units' based billing for all calls. Residential service got '1 unit per call, regardless of duration' for calls to 'nearby' (8 miles, CO-to-CO, IIRC) numbers. In the 80s, Ameritech incrementally rolled 'units' based billing across almost all of their service area, wherever they could bully the state utilities commission into accepting it. Among other things, this change absolutely -killed- the business use of dial-up remote computing. Everybody who had been a heavy dial-up user converted to 'dry' lease-line (3002 or 3008) circuits with 'line drivers' and stat mux units. a $500+ install, plus circa $20/month, beat the h*ll out of $25/mo plus $0.60/*HOUR* per terminal -- especially when you could get 8-16 terminals on that $20/month, by spending an additional (one time) few hundred (_used_ market) for a pair of stat muxes. With speeds faster than the 'standard' dial-up modems gave, to boot.
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Leatherock <wleathus@yahoo.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Extensions to pay phones? Message-ID: <1313611085.5364.YahooMailClassic@web111725.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 8/16/11, Robert Bonomi <bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com> wrote: > In article <20110815233805.99372.qmail@joyce.lan>, > John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>> How common was it to offer flat rate to business subscribers? I >>> can't help but suspect the majority of business subscribers (those >>> within cities and larger towns) had message rate service. >> >> Pretty common outside the northeast and Chicago, as I recall. > > 'Flat rate' was the only Ameritech, nee Illinois Bell, business > service in Chicago, up through the early-/mid-1980s. BIG stink > when they forcibly converted businesses to 'units' based billing for > all calls. Residential service got '1 unit per call, regardless of > duration' for calls to 'nearby' (8 miles, CO-to-CO, IIRC) numbers. > > In the 80s, Ameritech incrementally rolled 'units' based billing > across almost all of their service area, wherever they could bully > the state utilities commission into accepting it. > > Among other things, this change absolutely -killed- the business use > of dial-up remote computing. Everybody who had been a heavy dial-up > user converted to 'dry' lease-line (3002 or 3008) circuits with > 'line drivers' and stat mux units. a $500+ install, plus circa > $20/month, beat the h*ll out of $25/mo plus $0.60/*HOUR* per > terminal -- especially when you could get 8-16 terminals on that > $20/month, by spending an additional (one time) few hundred (_used_ > market) for a pair of stat muxes. With speeds faster than the > 'standard' dial-up modems gave, to boot. Twenty or thirty years earlier, there was a big push in the then Bell System to go to "usage sensitive pricing," and as I recall they picked Oklahoma to try to get it in Southwestern Bell territory. The commission and the company were flooded with anti-USP letters and calls, letters to the editor in newspapers. A poll showed that almost all customers despised the idea, even those customers who you could show would have lower monthly costs. It slowly was abandoned as an idea doomed to failure. Some legislators introduced bills to prohibit USP. Wes Leatherock wleathus@yahoo.com wesrock@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:24:56 -0500 From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Verizon strike Message-ID: <7oidnXb-bqY1zdbTnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications> In article <c038b862-b32a-45d6-b2fc-c253d4fd1441@a31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Tom Horne <hornetd@gmail.com> wrote: >On Aug 15, 7:33 am, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote: >> In most areas you can get a 'naked' (no dial tone) DSL circuit. > >[Moderator snip] > >> Unlike a pair with 'dial tone', a field tech cannot tell whether >> [the] pair is 'in use' (meaning 'active', not 'off hook') by simply >> hooking a butt-set onto the pair, and 'listening' for voice, or >> dial-tone. There have been lots of 'naked' DSL circuit outages >> because a field tech unwittingly 'stole' an active pair to fix >> another problem. > >Lineman have been equipped with DSL detecting butt sets for many years >now. When the butt set is connected to a DSL signal pair it sounds an >alarm and / or will not go off hook. So accidental downing of DSL >service is no longer that much of a problem. Some Butt sets can even >function like a piggy back telephone and conduct voice calls without >downing the line. I own two such Harris sets. I can state -- from first-hand experience as recently as 2005 -- that 'stealing' "DSL-only' pairs does happen. I the shop were I was employed at that time provided DSL for all employees, to support "work-at-home", when needed. One employee was in a near- saturated neighborhood, and 'lost' their DSL 3 times in a little less than 2 years. The last time got 'messy', as there were =zero= spare pairs when another customer's line failed. The DSL-only pair got 'stolen', and there wasn't any pair to 'replace' it with, when the DSL circuit problem was reported.
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:42:59 -0500 From: gordonb.15ah1@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: BART cuts off subway cell phone service Message-ID: <h6CdnTkbYaGe7NbTnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica> > According to one article: > "The agency did not jam cell signals, which is illegal, but shut off > the system - which Johnson said is allowable under an agreement with > several major phone service providers that pay rent to BART." I still wonder if deliberately shutting down 911 service (cellular or otherwise) for any reason that isn't itself an emergency (e.g. a gas leak in the subway tunnels requires shutting down electrical devices that might detonate the gas, including cell transmitters. But they'd need to shut down the trains, too.) might make them liable in a wrongful death suit should failing to reach 911 make a significant difference in the outcome. Most of the scenarios that could realistically happen would involve someone with medical problems stuck in a stalled subway car, though, which doesn't happen very often, I hope. (I am reminded here of a situation in Dallas where a subway car stalled in a tunnel, passengers waited for a time like an hour, then exited the tunnel on foot, and were threatened with prosecution for trespassing. There was a speaker system to communicate with passengers, which didn't work, and I suspect employees didn't know it didn't work at the time.) I suspect that liability would also apply to non-repair maintenance upgrade on the 911 system which involved a 3-week city-wide 911 outage because they decided to disconnect all the trunks, THEN order new ones, and assign only one man to the task.
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:42:34 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Avoid socializing by pretending to use your phone? You're not alone Message-ID: <p062408ccca70b0ccc5e9@[10.0.1.4]> Avoid socializing by pretending to use your phone? You're not alone By Casey Johnston If you pretend to use your cell phone to avoid talking to others, congratulations-you are part of the rudest 13 percent of the American public. According to a new study from the Pew Research Center, while 83 percent of American adults have a cell phone of some kind, only 13 percent have pretended to use them so they didn't have to interact with someone. Americans are still using phones by and large for useful things: 73 percent text, and 44 percent use their phone to access the Internet, even though only 35 percent have smartphones. Most cell phone owners have recently used their phones to obtain information they needed immediately (51 percent), but less than 6 percent on average have used their phone for a video call. ... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/08/13-percent-of-cell-phone-owners-fake-use-them-to-avoid-social-interactions.ars http://pewinternet.org/Reports/2011/Cell-Phones.aspx
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:47:59 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: iOS devs pay $50,000 for collecting children's info in apps Message-ID: <p062408cdca70b132dde6@[10.0.1.4]> iOS devs pay $50,000 for collecting children's info in apps by Jacqui Chen The parent company of Broken Thumbs Apps - a prominent iOS app maker responsible for games like Zombie Duck Hunt, Truth or Dare, and Emily's Dress Up - has today settled with the Federal Trade Commission over its apparent collection of children's personal data in its iPhone and iPod touch apps. Though the FTC has gone after other companies for similar violations, this case is the first focused on mobile apps. Parent company W3 Innovations was targeted with an FTC lawsuit on Friday; the settlement was announced Monday morning. In its complaint, the FTC alleges that W3 "collected, maintained, and/or disclosed personal information" entered into its various kid-targeted apps-for example, the complaint claims that the company collected and maintained a list of more than 30,000 e-mails as well as personal information from more than 300 Emily's Girl World App users and 290 Emily's Dress Up users. ... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/08/ios-devs-pay-50000-for-collecting-childrens-info-in-apps.ars ***** Moderator's Note ***** ... and if that doesn't scare you, then think about this: had the company bothered to "partner" with an offshore entity to "sample" the emails, they could have done the same thing with complete impunity. Bill Horne Moderator
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