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Volume 29 : Issue 93 : "text" Format

Messages in this Issue:
 Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds            (Steven)
 Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds            (Steven)
 Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds      (Thad Floryan)
 Re: Answering Machine                                                             (Randall)
 Re: Answering Machine                                                        (Jeff or Lisa)
 Cory Doctorow, You Are a Consumer, Too                                      (Monty Solomon)
 Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds         (Sam Spade)
 Re: Answering machine with network connection and email capability           (David Lesher)
 Re: Nunavut Territory in Canada                                         (Howard Eisenhauer)


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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:43:07 -0700 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds Message-ID: <hp6dge$1tf$1@news.eternal-september.org> tlvp wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:38:18 -0300, Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> > wrote: > >> ... 43 years ago when when I was learning my supervisor put me >> with a 68 year old Western Electric CO installer and said to watch and >> do what he tells you to do and you will learn the right way; for 2 >> years I did until he told me I can now do it on my own and I still teach >> that way. ... > > Heh ... that's the hall mark of a good teacher, no matter what the > subject matter: you not only learn that subject matter, you learn > how to pass it on to the next generation too. That is or was the way it was done. When I started college I planned on being a teacher, during the summer break I went to work for General Telephone, when I went back to school I continued to work for them, they worked my classes around my work. After college I went to work as a CO Installer, they planned on putting me in the management training program and I was in charge a lot after a few year, but each time I was asked about going into management they just demoted or fired someone, I just stayed where I was. After I retired I continued doing contract work and most of that time I have been lead, I still like to get my hands on the work, but most managers want me to make sure the job gets done. We don't have as much time to complete a job as in the early years, but most know that if the job gets messed up it will cost a lot more to fix it. Case in point, a company I was working for had to go into a job that had been done for Verizon, they had a crew working on a DSL hub and whoever was running the job was not watching how the cables had been ran, over a thousand cables had been installed backwards. It took 4 12 hour shifts for all the leads to come in a fix the job. The company got fired. Also years later you may have to go into a job you did and add to it, so you want it done neatly. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:45:56 -0700 From: Steven <diespammers@killspammers.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds Message-ID: <hp6dlk$1tf$2@news.eternal-september.org> Ron wrote: >> ***** Moderator's Note ***** >> >> I'm feeling foolish: I always believed what the airlines said about >> how cellphones might interfere with the navigational equipment. Was >> that a lie? > > NASA has a system where they collect reports from pilots about > various unsafe conditions. The did a report on computer and cell > phone interference. You can find it at > > http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20010066904_2001108092.pdf > > What they say about this kind of interference includes: > > The data clearly indicates that not only were some events judged > as having had a critical effect on a system, but they also > happened during critical stages of flight specifically landings > and takeoffs. > That is the reason why you can't use your phone or laptop during landings or takeoffs. -- The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2010 I Kill Spammers, Inc., A Rot in Hell. Co.
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 23:18:55 -0700 From: Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds Message-ID: <4BB6DDCF.5070909@thadlabs.com> On 4/2/2010 7:03 PM, Ron wrote: >> ***** Moderator's Note ***** >> >> I'm feeling foolish: I always believed what the airlines said about >> how cellphones might interfere with the navigational equipment. Was >> that a lie? > > NASA has a system where they collect reports from pilots about > various unsafe conditions. The did a report on computer and cell > phone interference. You can find it at > > http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20010066904_2001108092.pdf > > What they say about this kind of interference includes: > > The data clearly indicates that not only were some events judged > as having had a critical effect on a system, but they also > happened during critical stages of flight specifically landings > and takeoffs. Interesting report though it clearly needs updating from 2001 given all the new Personal Electronic Devices (PEDs) since then. What struck me as odd is NASA didn't analyze specific cellphone-induced problems such as those caused by GSM devices as we discussed here last year in several threads. As you may recall, I began (at least) one thread after a Nokia guru from their Palo Alto CA lab was visiting my home office and commented the horrible noise issuing from my computer speakers, as we were discussing other matters, was GSM interference; I was relieved to finally learn the problem wasn't an undetected computer virus on one of my Windows systems. Google "GSM interference" (without the quotes) for more info. During the course of those CDT threads an interesting document was emailed to me from the archives of comp.dcom.telecom and I've saved it here http://thadlabs.com/FILES/GSM_and_TDMA_Problems_1994.txt and have frequently referred others to it, especially audio pros and hearing aid wearers who've experienced "unknown" interference. I dread to think what could/might happen to someone with an implanted pacemaker, defibrillator, or other electronic medical appliance given how hearing aids are dramatically affected up to 100 feet (30m). I now place my cellphone far away from my home computers and use a Bluetooth speakerphone when answering calls. And as reported by the New York Times and posted to comp.dcom.telecom last year. (at least) 3 brands of electronic kitchen stoves have been found to be affected by GSM cellphones and they would be turned-on to high power by a nearby ringing GSM cellphone. A word to the wise: don't place or store non-cookware items atop such stoves.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:39:17 -0400 From: Randall <rvh40.remove-this@and-this-too.insightbb.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Answering Machine Message-ID: <9DC63332-C56F-4D2C-B7E8-597201A4ACBC@insightbb.com> From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net> To: redacted@invalid.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Answering machine with network connection and email capability Message-ID: <665dr5hafod1d6raon81rqc49mmqt4d4gl@4ax.com> >... >So is there an answering machine with an RJ 45 jack and/or /wireless >network capability. Let it hook up to my network like a scanner or >printer. Let me enter email address, SMTP server, etc into a screen. >With a test button of course to send a test email. And have it emails >me the MP3 files. And give me a screen which I can see all the stored >voice mails so I can manage those. >I figure the cost wuold be somewhere about $70. I'd pay that and tell >the telco there's one more monthly fee I'm not paying. http://voice.google.com does everything you ask "in the cloud". It is still invitation-only, but there is a link at which you can request an "invite" and Google will send you one shortly. (I got mine the next day after asking.)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:40:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeff or Lisa" <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Answering Machine Message-ID: <c6aa4805-89f2-4c70-a0c0-c89ea5ae0233@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> For what it's worth, I just bought a plain digital answering machine at Target store for $15.00, AT&T brand, that works just fine. It allows for remote pickup of calls, and variable rings before pickup, plus some other features. Just wanted to mention there are simple and cheap alternatives.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:41:02 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Cory Doctorow, You Are a Consumer, Too Message-ID: <p06240808c7dd82224710@[10.0.1.4]> Cory Doctorow, You Are a Consumer, Too I saw a-the-Rally Fighter, an open source car in Austin. This is what the "finished" interior looked like, more or less. That's what Cory Doctorow wants you to drive. Okay, not really. I can't be too mean to Cory. I've got too much respect for him. He's plucky, and the world needs pluck. In fact, I'm basically writing this to him, in public, because he's so sharp it pains me when I disagree with him so vehemently. But when I read his post, "Why I won't buy an iPad (and think you shouldn't, either)", my head swells with sadness and I leak confusion from every orifice. I don't like DRM. I think it's a fool's game. I don't prefer a closed ecosystem for applications without a way to unwall the garden I don't like that it's illegal to install a different operating system on an iPad. These are legal issues. They are issues that should be fixed by legislation and by judges. Donate to the EFF, because they put the pressure in the right places. It's money well spent. But you know what won't change these things? Refusing to buy an iPad, the stage for some of the most exciting software of the last decade. Nor will using Linux on a Lenovo laptop. It definitely won't help to sneer at everyone who is excited about the iPad, warts and all, and explain to us that we're dupes. And it is a sneer. It's talking down to hundreds of thousands of people who probably already know your position by heart. You may not read it like that, Cory, but I'm telling you that's how it comes off. ... http://gizmodo.com/5508286/cory-doctorow-you-are-a-consumer-too Why I won't buy an iPad (and think you shouldn't, either) Cory Doctorow at 5:23 AM April 2, 2010 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i-wont-buy-an-ipad-and-think-you-shouldnt-either.html
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Spade <samspade@coldmail.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Most people can't talk on a cellphone and drive safely, study finds Message-ID: <323474.31960.qm@web44801.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > [1] Used to be called the "Biennial Flight Review" (BFR) > a.k.a. "beef-er", but was renamed a few years ago to simply "flight > review", since different types of flight reviews are required for > the different categories of licenses and flight conditions. For a > very good summary of the requirements, see: > http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2006/sa03.pdf > Pilot's Guide to the Flight Review [8 pages] I know all about that stuff. Many BFRs (flight reviews) are "pencil whipped." I was a CFI until a few years ago and have seen it all. On the other hand, really professional flight operations do have meaningful training and testing.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) From: David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Answering machine with network connection and email capability Message-ID: <hp7qcr$2ja$1@reader1.panix.com> "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net> writes: >I got to thinking. Why am I paying $7 (or whatever0 to telco for >voice mail. They can include CFWB so people don't get a busy signal; instead they are forced to leave messages or keep calling back. >So is there an answering machine with an RJ 45 jack and/or /wireless >network capability. Google Voice is easier. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 23:46:36 GMT From: Howard Eisenhauer <howarde@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org. Subject: Re: Nunavut Territory in Canada Message-ID: <jnkfr5dqh82jq2bithmsaf6fkd7orhbeln@4ax.com> On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:32:20 GMT, "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote: >Howard Eisenhauer <howarde@NOSPAMhfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > >>>I recall getting one phone call in Edmonton, Alberta from an ex girl >>>friend of my brothers who lived in one of the Arctic coastal >>>communities in the late 1980s, There was so much static, hiss and >>>distorted audio that I had to ask her to repeat herself a few times. >>>I have no idea what links they used to get out. From Yellowiknife, >>>NWT south I would assume microwave back then. But from Yellowknife >>>out to all the other communities? Maybe they did use HF radio. >> >>I thought it was shut down in the early 80's but Northwest Tel may >>still have been running their troposcatter system then. > >What technology is NWTel using for all those remote places in the >Arctic? Microwave, fiber, satellite? If satellite would the dishes >would have to be huge at those latitudes? > >tony I believe mostly satellite these days but even that seems to be problematic... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestel H.
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