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Volume 29 : Issue 39 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans (was at&t vs. Verizon TV Ads)
Re: Great Movie Telephone Sounds
Re: Lucent MLX phone behavior
Re: Green Legislation Targets White Pages
Re: Green Legislation Targets White Pages
Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Kansas City MO/KS (was Overlays & Dialing Plans)
Re: Kansas City MO/KS (was Overlays & Dialing Plans)
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:58:12 -0600 (CST)
From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans (was at&t vs. Verizon TV Ads)
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1002061657420.51585@john-maysons-macbook.local>
On Fri, 6 Feb 2010, John Levine wrote:
>>> of Minden, NV. That may have been the largest NPA in the country at
>>> the time.
>>
>> Doesn't 907 have every one beat?
>
> 819, which covers most of Quebec and all of Nunavut.
>
> FYI, Nunavut is bigger than Quebec, and Quebec is bigger than Alaska
Yes, but they're part of another country. :-)
--
John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:21:21 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Great Movie Telephone Sounds
Message-ID: <Cspbn.52717$_96.6287@newsfe02.iad>
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 5:11 pm, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Does anyone know whether the BOCs added tone dialing to the front end of
>>any of their SXS offices? Or, did they limit it to 5XBARs?
>
>
> The Bell Labs history book, vol 1925-1975 Switching, has considerable
> details about the implementation of Touch Tone in various kinds of
> offices. They developed several different units for SxS offices; the
> units varied by cost and quality. IIRC, the choice of unit depended
> on traffic volume and expected life before convesion to a more modern
> office.
>
I couldn't find the 1925-1975 volume in my place. I was able to order
an "excellent condition" used copy on Amazon for $20.
As time marches on the 1925-1975 era has more appeal than the first volume.
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:41:16 -0800
From: TouchToneTommy <touch_tone_tommyNOSPAM@yahoo.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Lucent MLX phone behavior
Message-ID: <9g6sm55okb17tdkjdkebpifmmoj9nuslsf@4ax.com>
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:55:48 -0600, Michael Grigoni
<michael.grigoni@cybertheque.org> wrote:
> I just acquired a Lucent MLX-10DP phone but don't have a compatible
> Merlin system; I plugged it into a Merlin Plus (820D) and subsequently
> found a description of the RJ-45 pin assignments which showed that
> power (-48VDC) is on pair 4 for MLX as opposed to pair 3 for ATL
> phones. Later I supplied -48VDC to the correct pair to the MLX phone
> but even though internally I can read 5VDC on various parts, the LCD
> remains blank and no LEDs light. Should there be any sign of life with
> just DC applied? I have a suspicion that the phone was defective
> beforehand but would like to know how a good one should behave with
> only DC and no other signals applied to it.
>
> Also how likely are the station ports on the 820D into which the MLX
> was plugged to have been damaged by it? It would seem unlikely unless
> 48V were somehow looped back to the control pair.
The MLX phone will not work on the ATL port that you find on the
Merlin Plus - It will only work on an MLX port on a Merlin Legend or
Merlin Magix
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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:46:34 GMT
From: sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com (David Kaye)
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Green Legislation Targets White Pages
Message-ID: <hkl9ia$c3p$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Wesrock@aol.com wrote:
> AT&T is already doing that in several cities, including Oklahoma
> City, where I live.
While I'm a big fan of the yellow pages (I advertise in several and I
use it from time to time to find businesses) it's been years since
I've looked up anything in the white pages. It started when people
began to withhold their listings from the white pages to limit phone
solicitors.
I think today it would be rare to find anybody I know listed because
nearly everyone I know uses cell phones and I don't know of anyone who
is paying to be listed. Or do AT&T cell phone customers get automatic
white pages listings?
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:51:55 -0800 (PST)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Green Legislation Targets White Pages
Message-ID: <ce6df2d2-ed00-4592-a953-6c98071f7b2f@s12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
On Feb 6, 9:46 pm, sfdavidka...@yahoo.com (David Kaye) wrote:
> I think today it would be rare to find anybody I know listed because
> nearly everyone I know uses cell phones and I don't know of anyone who
> is paying to be listed. Or do AT&T cell phone customers get automatic
> white pages listings?
We just got a new edition of the White Pages delievered and it's quite
thick, so obviously a great many residences still have a listing.
I only know one person who dumped their landline for a cellphone.
I regularly use the White Pages hardcopy to get the phone number of
people or businesses.
As previously mentioned, I've found on-line listings notoriously
unreliable. On-line Yellow Pages need better filtering--when I seek a
pizza joint I don't want places 100 miles away, which is what I get
now.
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:22:01 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Message-ID: <22dc5.1d29d80a.389ee319@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/5/2010 10:00:42 PM Central Standard Time,
anthonybellanga@gonetoearth.com writes:
> In 1+10D mandatory areas at least mandatory when calling different
> area codes, (California, NY State, northern Illinois, etc), one can
> key "straight" 10D+SEND from their cellphone. Where 1+ is prohibited
> for (ten-digit) local calls in certain states, one can key
> 1+10D+SEND from their cellphones. Where overlays with mandatory
> (1+)ten-digit local home-NPA calls are NOT yet in place, as long as
> I'm not roaming, I can key 7D+SEND for my home-NPA calls, even to
> rate centers in the home-NPA where a landline customer would HAVE to
> dial 1+ home-NPA+7D.
As far as I know, all cell phones can accept numbers as 7D (where
allowed), 10D and 1+10D and interpret them correctly.
All the numbers in my address book are entered as 10D, since even for
local calls it works fine and I don't have to takd note of where I am
to call home, my son's business, or whatever.
When I go to an area in north central Oklahoma where Perry (my "home
town"), Stillwater and Pawnee are located, all county seats of
contiguous counties, and all in three different area codes, I always
dial 10D in case my call might be picked by a tower in the other
county or I'm not sure exactly where the boundaries of the three area
codes are. All three of them have 7D for local calls, although Pawnee
will have to go to 10D, presumably, when 918 is overlaid.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:18:53 EST
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Message-ID: <32484.4c69f1a6.389f6efd@aol.com>
In a message dated 2/6/2010 3:17:51 PM Central Standard Time,
sam@coldmail.com writes:
> That is long gone. So is the Kansas City metro area.
What has happened about the KC metro area? Is it now toll between
some parts of it? I still see 913 and 816 phone numbers fairly often.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:06:41 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Overlays and Dialing Plans
Message-ID: <6bEbn.152089$uH1.67684@newsfe25.iad>
Wesrock@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/6/2010 3:17:51 PM Central Standard Time,
> sam@coldmail.com writes:
>> That is long gone. So is the Kansas City metro area.
>
> What has happened about the KC metro area? Is it now toll between
> some parts of it? I still see 913 and 816 phone numbers fairly
> often.
I don't believe the local calling area has changed. But, when I lived
there in 1967-68 it was 7-digit dialing for the bi-state metro area.
That is what is long gone.
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:20:12 -0700
From: "Anthony Bellanga" <anthonybellanga@gonetoearth.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Kansas City MO/KS (was Overlays & Dialing Plans)
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F201002071420.AA20120308@gonetoearth.com>
Wes Leatherock wrote in "Overlays and Dialing Plans",
<32484.4c69f1a6.389f6efd@aol.com>:
> Sam Spade wrote:
[re, OLD 7D local dialing between DC, MD suburbs, northern VA suburbs
in the Washington DC Metro area]
>> That is long gone. So is the Kansas City metro area.
> What has happened about the KC metro area? Is it now toll between
> some parts of it? I still see 913 and 816 phone numbers fairly often.
No, calls between the KS and MO sides of the Kansas City MO/KS Metro
area are still local/EAS. But calls crossing the state line (also now
the 816/913 NPA line) MUST be dialed with all ten-digits. No 1+ is
required since these are still local/EAS (free) calls. This began at
least ten years ago (late 1990s, IIRC).
Doing a search at Ray Chow's "Local Calling Guide" website,
http://www.localcallingguide.com/
Kansas City KS and Kansas City MO are local to each other, and BOTH are
equally/identically local to the following additional rate center exchange
areas as well:
Archie MCA MO
Basehor Metro KS
Belton MO
Blue Springs MO
Bonner Springs KS
Buckner MCA MO
Bucyrus Metro KS
Camden Point MCA MO
Cleveland MCA MO
De Soto Metro KS
Dearborn MCA MO
Drexel MCA MO
East Lynne MCA MO
Edgerton MCA MO
Edgerton Metro KS
Excelsior Springs MC MO
Farley MCA MO
Ferrelview MO
Ferrelview MCA MO
Freeman MCA MO
Garden City MCA MO
Gardner Metro KS
Grain Valley MCA MO
Greenwood MO
Harrisonville MCA MO
Henrietta MCA MO
Holden MCA MO
Holt MCA MO
Kearney MCA MO
Kingsville MCA MO
Lake Lotawana MCA MO
Lathrop MCA MO
Lawson MCA MO
Leavenworth Lansing MO
Leavenworth Metro KS
Lees Summit MO
Liberty MO
Linwood Metro KS
Lonejack MCA MO
Missouri City MCA MO
Oak Grove MCA MO
Odessa MCA MO
Olathe KS
Orrick MCA MO
Osawatomie Metro KS
Paola Metro KS
Peculiar MCA MO
Platte City MCA MO
Plattsburg MCA MO
Pleasant Hill MCA MO
Richmond MCA MO
Smithville MCA MO
Spring Hill Metro KS
Strasburg MCA MO
Tonganoxie Metro KS
Trimble MCA MO
Wellington MCA MO
West Cleveland Metro KS
West Drexel Metro KS
Weston MCA MO
I did not check to see if any of these additional KS or MO exchanges have
any further local calling of their own with other KS or MO exchanges that
Kansas City MO/KS does not have -- it's always possible though. I haven't
checked to see about any additional exchanges in 913/KS or 816/MO though.
In July 1997, the original 913 for northern KS was split. 913 "shrunk
down" to the Kansas City KS region along the eastern edge of northern KS
along the border with Missouri. The rest of what was the original 913 was
changed to the new 785.
In October 1997, the 816 area code in northwestern MO was split. 816 now
"shrunk down" to the Kansas City MO / St.Joseph MO metro areas and
corridor. The rest of what was 816 was changed to 660.
During 2000/01, it was expected that (post-1997) 816 in Missouri would
soon be overlaid with the new 975 area code; similarly, 314 for St.Louis
(post-1999 314/636 split, and most certainly post-1996 314/573 split) was
expected to be overlaid with the new 557 area code. Neither overlay took
effect at that time, nor since. The Missouri state regulatory agency kept
pushing the effective overlay implementation dates later, since NeuStar
NANPA was coming up with revised exhaust dates further into the future.
Eventually, 314 will be overlaid with 557 for St.Louis MO, and eventually
816 will be overlaid with 975 for the MO-side of Kansas City Metro as well
as the corridor with St.Joseph MO.
Presently, 7D local dialing is still permissive,
within 913/KS, within 816/MO, within 314/MO, even within 618/IL.
10D local dialing is also permissive within 913/KS, 816/MO, 314/MO, and
probably even within 618/IL. But ultimately, 10D will become mandatory for
local calls within the above area codes, as 816/KS is overlaid with 660,
314/MO is overlaid with 557, and even 618/IL is overlaid with 730. But the
implementation dates for the overlays and mandatory 10D is still TBD.
But local calls which cross the 913/KS <=> 816/MO NPA/state line have been
mandatory 10D since probably 1999, although these are still local/EAS
calls, NOT toll calls (although there are likely certain toll corridors
which also cross the KS/MO state / 913/816 NPA line).
I also tend to think that local calls between St.Louis MO in NPA 314, and
East St.Louis IL & Granite City IL in NPA 618, are probably mandatory 10D
these days. Also note that East St.Louis IL and Granite City IL (as well
as Edgemont IL slightly further to the east, and which is local with both
Granite City IL and East St.Louis IL, but NOT local with St.Louis MO),
used to be Southwestern Bell NOT Illinois Bell prior to the mid-1970s!
These were transferred from SW Bell to IL Bell around that time, as well
as a handful of exchanges in northwest Indiana which border the Chicago IL
Metro area that had been served actually by Illinois Bell were transferred
to Indiana Bell. El Paso TX metro was served by Mountain Bell until around
1982 when it was transferred to Southwestern Bell, although local calling
still exists with nearby New Mexico (but NOT Cd.Juarez CHIH. MEXICO), so
El Paso TX never become part of post-divestiture US-West now Qwest.
The three exchanges in Illinois just east of St.Louis MO which had been
directly served by Southwestern Bell prior to the mid-1970s -- well, SBC
did buy out Ameritech (which included old Illinois Bell) around 1999/2000,
and today all of it is "at&t"! Also, a large segment of south-central
Illinois is part of the St.Louis MO LATA #520, and northwestern Indiana
is a part of the Chicago IL Metro LATA #358. Similarly, both Illinois Bell
and Indiana Bell became part of Ameritech (which was bought out by SBC,
and then was later renamed "at&t").
Anyhow, more and more of the older "protected" 7D local dialing situations
which cross state/NPA, or even NPA boundaries within states (or provinces)
are being made mandatory 10D, but the call is still a local/EAS call. But
there are still several "protected" 7D local dialing arrangements that
cross state/province/NPA boundaries, however, for the most part, these are
in rural areas and small town areas near such state/province/NPA lines.
A/B
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:54:36 -0700
From: "Anthony Bellanga" <anthonybellanga@gonetoearth.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: Kansas City MO/KS (was Overlays & Dialing Plans)
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F201002071454.AA54360311@gonetoearth.com>
A correction to a typo.
I previously wrote <WorldClient-F201002071420.AA20120308@gonetoearth.com>:
> 10D local dialing is also permissive within 913/KS, 816/MO, 314/MO,
> and probably even within 618/IL. But ultimately, 10D will become
> mandatory for local calls within the above area codes, as 816/KS is
> overlaid with 660, 314/MO is overlaid with 557, and even 618/IL is
> overlaid with 730. But the implementation dates for the overlays
> and mandatory 10D is still TBD.
WRONG: "816/KS is overlaid with 660, ..."
RIGHT: "816/MO is overlaid with 975, ..."
My mistake.
A/B
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