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Volume 29 : Issue 19 : "text" Format
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Re: N Carrier and Program transmission
Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Re:Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Re:Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Re: FCC to many "wireless microphone" users: turn them off!
donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Q.: Entering a "newline" on a cellphone
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:15:46 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: N Carrier and Program transmission
Message-ID: <mxW4n.6487$5m.3829@newsfe12.iad>
Bill Horne wrote:
> I've just come across another old document that I hope will interest
> some of the readership: it's a treatise on how Program circuits (i.e.,
> Radio and TV audio) were transported via "N" carrier.
>
> (Original link no longer available)
>
> Bill Horne
When I lived in GTE-land in the mid-1970s, the stepper was getting
really tired especially for toll calls. The contiguous exchange to
the west was Pacific Bell where a 1 ESS was fired up in 1975. In
those days residential FX to a contiguous exchange was relatively
inexpensive. So, I signed up and they rigged it up on N carrier. The
quality was terrible. I had some good management contact by that time
in the local GTE office. He got it redone to T carrier, and with
proper supervision. It then was the "real deal."
Pacific Bell was also willing to let me have calling features. GTE
balked, saying they wouldn't file to concur. They were always that
way for the 10 years I lived there. But, with some heat from the PUC,
coupled with the fact it was very short-sighted they relented in short
order.
Tariffs and technical arrangements between GTE and Pacific Bell were
quite interesting in those days. They fought tooth-and-nail just
below the radar of the public.
Issues like foreign exchange service are all but gone with today's
technology and the fact [that] time division, Stored-Program-Control
end office switching has long since become ubiquitous.
***** Moderator's Note *****
The original link is now a 404: if any of the readers has a copy,
please send it in and I'll post it on the Digest's web page. TIA.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:31:16 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject:Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Message-ID: <r9e7l59u6iqchfeoj2gbtr5rie0m9ah55a@4ax.com>
Folks
I've been reading postings in the amateur radio community indicating
that the various groups which are arriving in Haiti are bringing in
their own satellite based systems. I'm curious to read of any
failures, circuit overloading and other issues.
It would appear that that amateur radio community was quite busy for a
few days but the traffic has died down as more satellite
communications were brought into the country.
Tony
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:41:07 -0700
From: "Fred Atkinson, WB4AEJ" <fred@remove-this.wb4aej.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re:Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Message-ID: <000c01ca9843$e3a78d80$c800000a@mishmash>
> I've been reading postings in the amateur radio community indicating
> that the various groups which are arriving in Haiti are bringing in
> their own satellite based systems. I'm curious to read of any
> failures, circuit overloading and other issues.
>
> It would appear that that amateur radio community was quite busy for
> a few days but the traffic has died down as more satellite
> communications were brought into the country.
>
> Tony
Well, Tony,
That sounds great in theory. But there's been a problem with that.
Please read this story: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=233290 .
Fred, WB4AEJ
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:39:09 GMT
From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re:Satellite circuits busy because of Haiti?
Message-ID: <d0l9l553s09qvc1p4fec08lold6t17p6th@4ax.com>
"Fred Atkinson, WB4AEJ" <fred@remove-this.remove-this.wb4aej.com> wrote:
> That sounds great in theory. But there's been a problem with that.
>Please read this story: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=233290 .
Off topic.
As qrz.com has animated graphic ads I avoid visiting that site at all
costs. If I have to I move the animated grahics to the left hand side
of the screen so they aren't visible.
I've already expressed my displeasure via email. The web site owners
response is "The companies that place the ads like them" No problem.
I just won't visit.
I've been unable to find a Firefox addin that would "freeze" the
animated graphics. I don't even know if that would be technically
possible.
Tony
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:12:33 -0500
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: FCC to many "wireless microphone" users: turn them off!
Message-ID: <MPG.25bdb7c8a79ff628989c50@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <wfl4n.20360$DY5.18607@newsfe08.iad>, sam@coldmail.com
says...
>
> danny burstein wrote:
>
> > In order to ensure that individuals and groups currently using
> > unauthorized devices in this band have ample time to transition to
> > appropriate frequencies, the FCC is providing a sunset period until
> > June 12, 2010, one year from the DTV Transition.
>
> Ample time would be more like 10 years.
>
> I wish the toothless FCC the best of luck in getting compliance.
Not to mention the enterprising souls who have figured out how to
extract the tuners from old televisions and then use them to pump a
modulated signal into the device of their choice.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:52:59 -0500
From: danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1001181144550.5384@panix5.panix.com>
The various relief agencies have established
accounts with the cellcos allowing subscribers
to "donate via texting".
Kind of like the Bad Old Days of "900" numbers...,
but for a good cause this time.
(Payment via cellphone texting is growing in
popularity outside the North American marketplace.
In some areas you can walk your cellphone to a
soda or other machine, punch the id number into
your phone, and that's how you pay).
Of course, at the end of the billing cycle, your
cellco statement shows you the amounts, and requests
your prompt payment.
Which brings up the question: How many Americans
are tapping in these special text-donation numbers,
not realizing that they'll be on the hook?
And related to that, what safeguards are in place
by the cellcos to limit client exposure? No one's
going to go broke at an unexpected single $10
donation/extra charge,but what if mom and dad and
the five kids, and themothers-in-law.. all got
out the phone(s), and made repeated donations?
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:22:57 -0800
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Message-ID: <5b55n.4091$4n1.2658@newsfe17.iad>
danny burstein wrote:
>
> Which brings up the question: How many Americans
> are tapping in these special text-donation numbers,
> not realizing that they'll be on the hook?
>
> And related to that, what safeguards are in place
> by the cellcos to limit client exposure? No one's
> going to go broke at an unexpected single $10
> donation/extra charge,but what if mom and dad and
> the five kids, and themothers-in-law.. all got
> out the phone(s), and made repeated donations?
>
>
Smart people do a lot better than stupid people. Some actually
understand what the announcements quite clearly say.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:52:23 -0600
From: John Mayson <john@mayson.us>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Message-ID: <6645152a1001181652i6e94e4f4teb67389d85e74aa7@mail.gmail.com>
A big problem with texting money to Haiti is it would probably be
quicker to swim a $10 bill there yourself. The phone companies have
to bill their customers, collect the money, and then send it on. That
process could take 2 or 3 months.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704381604575005412610261000.html
I heard a piece of advice the other day that it's better to donate
money to aid agencies already established in Haiti rather than
donating to an agency that may or may not have all of their ducks in a
row.
John
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***** Moderator's Note *****
According to my local PBS station, some carriers have agreed to front
the money prior to collection. However, that's not really a problem:
since it takes too long for charitable organizations to collect the
funds, negotiate for supplies and transport, and get relief to those
in need, they always work from reserves of both supplies and money
collected during and after previous disasters.
Books have been writen about the fund-raising and spending practices
used by the Red Cross and other charitable organizations, but that's
beyond the scope of this thread. The point is that, as has been
reported by every network, there are more-than-adequate supplies being
piled up on the apron at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in
Port-au-Prince: those supplies came out of warehouses that the
U.S. Government, the Salvation Army, and the Red Cross maintain for
the purpose. When the warehouses are empty, they'll be replenished
with money collected for disaster relief in Haiti, and even though the
supplies may have been purchased with money donated for the victims of
hurricane Katrina or a later event, they will be replaced with money
collected for the current event. The process evens things out over
time, allows for efective negotiation unhampered by the demands of the
current effort, and gives agencies the ability to pre-position needed
material in advance of major meteorological events such as hurricanes,
floods, and blizzards. Although this way of doing business causes
minor embarassment to the Red Cross and other caregivers from time to
time, it's so obviously necessary that such "exposes" are always
quickly forgotten.
Bill Horne
Moderator
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:32:53 -0500
From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject: Re: donations via cellphone "texting" to Haitian relief
Message-ID: <barmar-2AB57D.15325318012010@nothing.attdns.com>
In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.1001181144550.5384@panix5.panix.com>,
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> Which brings up the question: How many Americans are tapping in
> these special text-donation numbers, not realizing that they'll be
> on the hook?
Maybe I'm just not as stupid as typical Americans, but I thought it
was obvious. Who would they think would pay it?
Whenever someone has mentioned texting 90999, they said it was so that
you could donate $10. There's never been any suggestion that it
would be the cellphone company making the donation. It's not like one
of those campaigns where a company says "Buy XXX and we'll donate $Y
to your high school".
--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:19:54 -0500
From: tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
To: telecomdigestmoderator.remove-this@and-this-too.telecom-digest.org.
Subject:Q.: Entering a "newline" on a cellphone
Message-ID: <op.u6q9zgveo63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net>
Nokia handsets tends to offer, amongst the non-alphanumeric
quasi-printable characters they're willing to enter into a memo or
text message, the "newline" character (actually, a [LF]-[CR] pair).
I find no such capability on any of the four older Motorola handsets
that I have access to, a RAZR V3, a SLVR L2, a TimePort P-7389, or a
TimePort P-280.
Am I overlooking something (and if so, what, please)? Or are these
handsets really unable to insert a "newline"?
[I guess there's a kludgey work-around: copy a newline from any
message that does contain one, and paste it into wherever it's
needed. I'd like something more elegant, if available.]
TIA; and cheers, -- tlvp
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