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Message Digest
Volume 28 : Issue 191 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Is Motzarella in retirement?
Re: Is Motzarella in retirement?
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:13:19 +0200
From: "Wolfgang M. Weyand" <wolf@eternal-september.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Is Motzarella in retirement?
Message-ID: <4A597EFF.3050208@eternal-september.org>
Telecom digest moderator wrote:
> Sirs,
>
> I'd appreciate you commenting for the record on why AT&T email
> addresses can't be used with Eternal-Septermber dot org. Your web page
> makes reference to a "creative" blacklist, but gives no other details.
Registration information from Eternal-September is sent to the users
by email, which will not work with sbcglobal, att.net, prodigy and
other mail services provided by AT&T, as their mail servers reject
mail from many sources, including Eternal-September.org.
Their web page
http://worldnet.att.net/general-info/521.html
has a reference to the Spamhaus and Symantec blacklists. Neither
Motzarella nor Eternal-September have ever been on these lists. You may
also look up Eternal September's IP address 188.40.43.245 on
http://www.dnsbl.info/dnsbl-database-check.php
which will show that it is not listed on any of the blacklists they
check. So it is obviously AT&T's own blacklist that causes these mails
to be rejected. As their listing policy is not published anywhere and
every mail provider can filter whatever they please (if it's accepted
by their customers), I have decided that Eternal September will not
accept any mail from these servers, as it is not possible to reply to
these mails. For a service like Eternal September it is essential to
run a reliable abuse desk. Legitimate complaints from AT&T customers,
however, can not be duely processed because AT&T will block replies,
confirmations of receipt etc, so the sender of such complaints will
erroneously assume that his legitimate complaints are being ignored by
Eternal September.AT&T's blacklist policy hence damages Eternal
September's reputation, which is not acceptable.
> Also, please tell me if Motzarella dot org has been permanently
> retired.
The domain is still registered and receives mail. However, there are
currently no plans to run a Usenet news service in this domain.
> I'd also like to know why you chose to use "Eternal September"
> instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:09:22 -0400
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Is Motzarella in retirement?
Message-ID: <MPG.24c3d4bedb12c8d5989ad9@news.eternal-september.org>
In article <4A597EFF.3050208@eternal-september.org>, wolf@eternal-
september.org says...
> Registration information from Eternal-September is sent to the users
> by email, which will not work with sbcglobal, att.net, prodigy and
> other mail services provided by AT&T, as their mail servers reject
> mail from many sources, including Eternal-September.org.
>
>
Just setup a Yahoo or Gmail account. They don't have any control over
what gets blocked on web accessible sites like that.
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:24:49 -0700
From: Sam Spade <sam@coldmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <Qmm6m.53871$Xs4.33090@newsfe11.iad>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> I wish there were still a manual exchange there: I think we need at
> least _one_ place that stays as it was in Gray's day.
Then Ernestine would have to be on the line for every inbound call, so
when Farmer Fred answere she could say, "Fred, the Caller ID on this
call is 212-555-1234." ;-)
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:17:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Community Dial Offices today ???
Message-ID: <384b1bbc-fba9-4a47-9ca7-166b7035ffcc@l32g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 12, 10:40 am, Sam Spade <s...@coldmail.com> wrote:
> Then Ernestine would have to be on the line for every inbound call, so
> when Farmer Fred answere she could say, "Fred, the Caller ID on this
> call is 212-555-1234." ;-)
In the very smallest of exchanges that was done. In our town of 300
phones the traffic required two positions (operators), and there
wasn't enough time to give that much personal attention to calls.
(according to one the operators I spoke to.)
In the Moutain Bell history they go into the detal of "household
switchboards", in which the switchboard for a town was located in
someone's home on a contract basis from the phone co. The phone co
strictly regulated everything, down to what was stored in what dresser
drawer. I suspect that idle chitchat or extra services to the
community would not have been acceptable if it meant the expense of
adding more operators or switchboard positions. Of course, there was
still some level of informality (the operator told me it was a big
change from working in the small town to the city when she was
transffered).
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:11:04 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3d1uo$bno$1@news.eternal-september.org>
T wrote:
>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
>> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
>> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Heh - yeah. If they could get the passport RFID's they could read them
> on the credit cards too.
>
I had my Credit Union deactivate the chip in my card and opted out of
another one. A few years ago Mobil Oil had chip key chains and one day I
noticed credit card charges in a bunch of cities all over the country at
the same time. When I found out what it was I smashed that key chain
into a million little peaces and joined a suit against them, but that
suit went nowhere.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:12:49 -0700
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@killspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3d222$bno$2@news.eternal-september.org>
Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>>
>>> A technology which may be disabled by a sheet of aluminum foil is
>>> hardly a threat to our rights. When they start injecting chips under
>>> the skin of newborn babies, _that's_ when we have lost the battle.
>>
>> In "The President's Analyst", The Phone Company proposed to put the chip
>> directly in the brain of the, er, telephone subscriber.
>
> The "Presidents Analyst" was remarkably prescient. So was "The Prisoner."
>
>
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Ah, but he never got to _really_ meet Number One, did he? Did that
> mean he could never know who his leaders were, or was it intended to
> portray the ambiguity of Number Six'es motivation in refusing to
> accept what he always was?
>
> Bill
>
Yes he did, when he was finally released, that series was used in a
class I took in college.
--
The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2009 I Kill Spammers, inc, A Rot in Hell. Co.
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:39:36 -0500
From: "Kenneth P. Stox" <stox@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <h3d7el$hp2$1@news.eternal-september.org>
Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
>
> Ah, but he never got to _really_ meet Number One, did he? Did that
> mean he could never know who his leaders were, or was it intended to
> portray the ambiguity of Number Six'es motivation in refusing to
> accept what he always was?
I have always interpreted it as simply "We are our own worst enemy." It
is very difficult to realize this, as it was for Number 6.
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:31:26 EDT
From: Wesrock@aol.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Chips in official IDs raise privacy fears
Message-ID: <d4e.5528b7f2.378bda5e@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/12/2009 4:29:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
diespammers@killspammers.com writes:
> I had my Credit Union deactivate the chip in my card and opted out
> of another one. A few years ago Mobil Oil had chip key chains and
> one day I noticed credit card charges in a bunch of cities all over
> the country at the same time. When I found out what it was I
> smashed that key chain into a million little peaces and joined a
> suit against them, but that suit went nowhere.
This sounds like the things that Chase and Citibank (For
Phillisp-Conoco credit cards) have added to their cards where you just
wave them at the receiver. I think Mobil and now Exxon still have
theirs, too.
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
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