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Message Digest
Volume 28 : Issue 96 : "text" Format
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Re: To Bury or Not to Bury
Online database for ratting out
Re: Online database for ratting out
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:53:07 -0500
From: Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: To Bury or Not to Bury
Message-ID: <jim.redelfs-516FDA.04530706042009@news.west.cox.net>
In article <49D75B63.5010503@annsgarden.com>,
Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com> wrote:
>> Imagine a line of 20 houses, each with a driveway and
>> sidewalk going from the house to the road.
> Not to mention working around abandoned coal bins, bike racks, bollards,
> bus stop shelters, catch basins, cable TV pedestals, culverts, drainage
> ditches, fences, fire hydrants, galvanic protection monitors, gas
> laterals, guy anchors, irrigation ditches, Jersey barriers,
> lawn-sprinkling systems, mailboxes, manholes, newspaper vending-machine
> platforms, power pedestals, power switching cabinets, power
> transformers, raised planting beds, retaining walls, secondary water
> laterals, signs, storm drains, streetlights, survey markers, telephone
> cross-connect panels, telephone pedestals, traffic signals, trees and
> tree roots, utility poles, water laterals, or xeriscaped yards.
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> Don't forget the Fire Alarm Premise or Auxiliary Loops, Steam Mains,
> and POPT (Privately Owned and Placed Telegraph) circuits. As if that
> weren't enough, there are also non-government rights of way,
> non-registered government rights of way, and Allowances for
> Non-anticipable Sovereign Change Demands.
For the venerable Northwestern Bell Telephone Company, I ran a vibratory
plow and boring machine for years and never considered a FRACTION of
those obstacles. In that time I probably accrued ~$2-3k damage.
Directional boring "came of age" in Omaha more than a few years ago.
War stories upon request, including those with context including
"natural gas" and "high voltage".
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:)
JR
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:39:25 -0400
From: ed <bernies@netaxs.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Online database for ratting out
Message-ID: <1239057565.49da849d5ad68@webmail.uslec.net>
> > ***** Moderator's Note *****
> >
> > IANALB ISTM such databases would be sued out of existence in short order.
>
> What databases? There aren't any databases for the purpose of ratting
> out people like that officer.
http://www.whosarat.com/ has been repeatedly targeted by state and federal
prosecutors for "outing" their informants and dirty cops, but so far the website
operator has been able to use the First Amendment to stay online.
Valuable public service or dangerous information resource? You decide.
-Ed
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:31:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Online database for ratting out
Message-ID: <4c2fd437-fa50-4997-b775-c9545d833620@z19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
On Apr 6, 10:14 pm, ed <bern...@netaxs.com> wrote:
> http://www.whosarat.com/ has been repeatedly targeted by state and federal
> prosecutors for "outing" their informants and dirty cops, but so far the
website
> operator has been able to use the First Amendment to stay online.
>
> Valuable public service or dangerous information resource? You decide.
I'm not familiar with that database.
In general the question you ask on this particular issue is not an
easy one to answer.
On the one hand, informants do provide the cops with a lot of
information that results in the rest of us being safer. Indeed, many
authorities have 800 numbers for citizens to send in tips. Our local
school board announced such a tip line for any matter regarding school
safety.
(Or cops pressure an arrested person to rat out others in return for a
lighter sentence; that's very common.)
On the other hand, such a system can be abused. I'm not sure how I
feel about such anonymous tip lines. I've heard of feuding
neighborhoods making nasty untrue accusations via such tip lines
causing the other neighbor all sorts of grief.
Let's not forget the news media makes great use of informants, too,
who may not necessarily be honest or accurate. Back in the 1950s
certain national columnists would finger communists or ex-communists
based on confidential informants and ruin the target's life.
Politicians and other public servants can have their careers ruined by
such columnists.
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