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Volume 28 : Issue 67 : "text" Format
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Cable Companies Target Commercials to the Audience - NYTimes.com
Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
To Bury or Not to Bury
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 01:38:42 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Cable Companies Target Commercials to the Audience - NYTimes.com
Message-ID: <p06240831c5d7c578c3b9@[10.0.1.6]>
Cable Companies Target Commercials to Audience
By STEPHANIE CLIFFORD
The New York Times
March 4, 2009
The advertiser's dream of sending a particular commercial to a
specific consumer is one step closer to reality as Cablevision
Systems plans to announce the largest project yet using targeted
advertising on television.
Beginning with 500,000 homes in Brooklyn, the Bronx and some New
Jersey areas, Cablevision will use its targeting technology to route
ads to specific households based on data about income, ethnicity,
gender or whether the homeowner has children or pets.
The technology requires no hardware or installation in a subscriber's
home, so viewers may not realize they are seeing ads different from a
neighbor's. But during the same show, a 50-something male may see an
ad for, say, high-end speakers from Best Buy, while his neighbors
with children may see one for a Best Buy video game.
"We have, as an industry, been talking about this since the beginning
of time," said Matt Seiler, the global chief executive of the media
firm Universal McCann, a part of the Interpublic Group. "Now we've
got it in 500,000 households. This is real."
The potential of customized ads worries some privacy advocates,
despite the assurance of cable companies that they maintain anonymity
about the households.
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/business/04cable.html
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:31:36 -0500
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Message-ID: <MPG.241bece6eea3c97f98993c@reader.motzarella.org>
In article <8iktq4t488opuar6qnr1f78mccu2t5kei3@4ax.com>,
rng@richbonnie.com says...
>
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 16:25:00 -0500 (EST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >The problem is it's not just one cable, as there was in the old days.
> >Now there are many cables. (Don't know who they belong to.)
> In the late 1960's, I worked for Bell labs, and was in Williamsport,
> PA on business. I noticed that there were two and sometimes three
> CATV cables on the poles. A local Bell craftsperson explained that
> there indeed was three competing CATV companies. They did not operate
> on a franchise basis. The first company signed up a lot of people,
> and then raised their rates very high. A second company saw a
> businesss oppurtunity, constructed a distribution system, offered low
> rates, and took customers from the first. Then the second raised
> their rates, and the cycle repeated. I looked in the phone book
> Yellow Pages, and indeed there were three CATV companies listed.
Back during the dot.com boom Providence almost got a second cable
carrier, AB Cable.
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Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:56:43 -0500
From: Will Roberts <oldbear@arctos.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1Lg1l61AEo-000fmi@mrelay.perfora.net>
In the Telecom Digest Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net>, wrote:
>Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:55:04 GMT
>From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
>To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
>Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
>
>David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>It cost more initially, but in the long run they will be more reliable and
>>generally beneficial to the community in many ways.
>
>How will underground cables be more reliable and generally beneficial to the
>community?
In San Francisco, there had been an ongoing program to remove overhead
utility lines because they have a nasty tendency to snap and fall into
the street in an earthquake. This blocks the path for emergency vehicles
which then have to deal with downed live power lines and toppled poles
and transformers.
I believe other earthquake-prone areas have implemented similar
programs for this reason.
Obviously, the aesthetic benefits are a nice bonus, too.
Regards,
Will
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:34:57 -0500
From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Message-ID: <MPG.241beda8a2e6da3798993d@reader.motzarella.org>
In article <b2t2r4t01u44s2ihsarlilc8d2a9mqcpqk@4ax.com>,
ttoews@telusplanet.net says...
> One newspaper report I just read stated that underground power lines cost from 4 to
> 10 times as much as overhead lines.
>
> I've also read reports that indicate trouble shooting and repairing underground power
> lines near the end of their life is very expensive.
>
> So I'd want to see some detailed cost estmates and real world experiences before
> agreeing that underground power lines are a "good thing".
>
> Tony
That is all industry bovine effluent. First of all automatic trenching
equipment is available these days. Cut and cover and bury it all. Second
of all you [can] run everything through massive conduits.
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Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:02:07 +1100
From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
Message-ID: <pan.2009.03.07.23.02.05.839208@myrealbox.com>
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:47:00 -0500, T wrote:
> In article <b2t2r4t01u44s2ihsarlilc8d2a9mqcpqk@4ax.com>,
> ttoews@telusplanet.net says...
>> One newspaper report I just read stated that underground power lines
>> cost from 4 to 10 times as much as overhead lines.
>>
>> I've also read reports that indicate trouble shooting and repairing
>> underground power lines near the end of their life is very expensive.
>>
>> So I'd want to see some detailed cost estmates and real world
>> experiences before agreeing that underground power lines are a "good
>> thing".
>>
>> Tony
>
> That is all industry bovine effluent. First of all automatic trenching
> equipment is available these days. Cut and cover and bury it all. Second
> of all you [can] run everything through massive conduits.
And dropping fibre for every home into any local underground power
distribution essentially "future proofs" all comms for a very small
incremental cost.
This is the sort of infrastructure expenditure that should be done right
now to generate local employment and provide more efficient infrastructure
that should (in theory) increase productivity for a long time to come.
--
Regards, David.
David Clayton
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 15:25:46 -0500
From: Randall <rvh40@insightbb.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: To Bury or Not to Bury
Message-ID: <04B4485B-C049-4866-B3E2-9EE59261C5CC@insightbb.com>
> From: "Tony Toews \[MVP\]" <ttoews@telusplanet.net>
> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: Technical Demo turns political 2/26/1909
> Message-ID: <b2t2r4t01u44s2ihsarlilc8d2a9mqcpqk@4ax.com>
>
> David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> It cost more initially, but in the long run they will be more
>>>> reliable
>>>> and generally beneficial to the community in many ways.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How will underground cables be more reliable and generally
>>> beneficial to
>>> the community?
>>>
>>>
>> Vehicles can't crash into power poles that aren't there, winds can't
>> affect power lines that are underground, and the visual pollution of
>> underground power distribution is limited to the access ports on the
>> pavement.
>>
>
> One newspaper report I just read stated that underground power
> lines cost from 4 to
> 10 times as much as overhead lines.
>
> I've also read reports that indicate trouble shooting and repairing
> underground power
> lines near the end of their life is very expensive.
>
> So I'd want to see some detailed cost estmates and real world
> experiences before
> agreeing that underground power lines are a "good thing".
>
Last September, Hurricane Ike took out electricity to some 300K
houses in in Kentucky. [A HURRICANE - in KENTUCKY! - some nine
hundred miles from the Gulf of Mexico].
My house was out for nine days.
In January of this year, an ice storm took out power to some 700K
houses here. I was out for eight days.
Our electric monopoly, long-ago privatized, said in September and
repeated in January that it would cost ratepayers a million dollars a
mile to bury the lines. Overhead lines were said to be one tenth of
that. No mention was made of what it would cost to cut the damned
trees that took out the lines both times.
--
The war on privilege will never end. Its next great campaign will be
against the privileges of the underprivileged. H. L. Mencken
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