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Message Digest Volume 28 : Issue 29 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. 1950s PBX article NYC Transit exchange Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Re: Cellphones as Credit Cards? Americans Must Wait ====== 27 years of TELECOM Digest -- Founded August 21, 1981 ====== Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.0901291006500.4575@simone.iecc.com> This addresses a real problem, although I'm not sure whether it's a big enough problem to be worth retrofitting every phone in the country. There really are creeps who use their phones to take invasive pictures, e.g., hold it at the bottom of a stairway and take pictures up women's skirts. See this November article in Salon. http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/11/25/upskirting/ R's, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:27:49 -0600 From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (PV) To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Message-ID: <19mdnU8mo8GIehzUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@supernews.com> "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> writes: >This addresses a real problem, although I'm not sure whether it's a >big enough problem to be worth retrofitting every phone in the >country. It doesn't "address" anything. It's already illegal to take pictures of someone in a dressing room without their consent. If you're going to do that, sticking a piece of tape over a speaker isn't going to change anything. >There really are creeps who use their phones to take invasive >pictures, e.g., hold it at the bottom of a stairway and take pictures >up women's skirts. And you're going to hear a cellphone click from the bottom of a flight of stairs? Stupid law. * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: 1950s PBX article NYC Transit exchange Message-ID: <a763a546-fa37-489f-94dc-22af4d7629d1@e18g2000yqo.googlegroups.com> The employees' house magazine of the New York City Transit Authority published an article describing their telephone switchboard and system. They had twelve operators taking calls a PBX of 9,000 stations. See: (click on item to enlarge) http://www.thejoekorner.com/transit-mag/56-04-04.jpg http://www.thejoekorner.com/transit-mag/56-04-05.jpg (These are part of the excellent http://www.thejoekorner.com/transit-mag/ website which contains a variety of transit related and other materials.) It would appear from the pictures and text that the operators did not have a jack appearance for each station. Rather, the operators plugged into a series jack and dialed the number. For instance, to reach extension 2-4357, the operator would plug into the 24 jack row and dial the 357. The system probably had five digit extension numbers since 1, 8, 9, and 0 were typically reserved in PBX for special lines. Many large transit systems had their own private systems for internal use which were not connected to the Bell System. The organization was large enough to have a staff to maintain the lines and switches themselves. I'm not sure if was the case for the NYCTA. While 9,000 stations seems like a great deal, the NYCTA was a very large organization. There were many emergency telephones located within the tunnels for use in case a train broke down. Likely on the bus division there were phones at major bus loops for drivers and supervisors to call in. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:10:00 -0500 From: "Ted" <Ted@NoSpam.com> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Message-ID: <VIpgl.3375$19.2188@bignews5.bellsouth.net> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote in message news:7a1c02f0-eada-49a4-8c21-8dc6a7958e24@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 28, 12:03 pm, Denise Reinecke <dmr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.414: > > "Congress finds that children and adolescents have been exploited by > photographs taken in dressing rooms and public places with the use of > a camera phone." [Moderator Snip] If that person is on a public beach, or on private property that can be readily seen from a public location, you can take the picture. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:12:45 -0500 From: "Geoffrey Welsh" <reply@newsgroup.please> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Message-ID: <6116$498237f7$d1b705a6$15131@PRIMUS.CA> Denise Reinecke wrote: > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.414: My cell phone clicks when I take a picture with it; I would hope that this noise would qualify. I don't know if I can disable it (I never looked.) While I'm not generally in favour of the government passing a law to take care of every little thing, it seems to me that requiring cameras to alert their subjects when a picture is taken is not in itself a bad idea and probably not particularly difficult to implement. -- Geoffrey Welsh <Geoffrey [dot] Welsh [at] bigfoot [dot] com> . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:49:45 +0000 (UTC) From: wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Total absurdity - Cell phone mandatory noise bill in HR. Message-ID: <glttcp$god$1@grapevine.csail.mit.edu> In article <6116$498237f7$d1b705a6$15131@PRIMUS.CA>, Geoffrey Welsh <reply@newsgroup.please> wrote: >While I'm not generally in favour of the government passing a law to take >care of every little thing, it seems to me that requiring cameras to alert >their subjects when a picture is taken is not in itself a bad idea and >probably not particularly difficult to implement. Except, of course, that it screws the people who actually have a legitimate need to take photos in silence. (For example, because they are in a television studio, as I was today. I hope the noise my camera makes didn't get picked up on any of the mikes.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:19:40 -0500 From: T <kd1s.nospam@cox.nospam.net> To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu Subject: Re: Cellphones as Credit Cards? Americans Must Wait Message-ID: <MPG.23ec1fb665cf60a89898c3@reader.motzarella.org> In article <p06240817c5a2f0b5d5d9@[10.0.1.6]>, monty@roscom.com says... > > PROTOTYPE > Cellphones as Credit Cards? Americans Must Wait > > By LESLIE BERLIN > January 25, 2009 > > IMAGINE a technology that lets you pay for products just by waving > your cellphone over a reader. [Moderator Snip] Knowing how relatively simple it is to clone some cell phones this scares the crap out of me. ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly to telecom- munications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to Usenet, where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work and that of the original author. The Telecom Digest is currently being moderated by Bill Horne while Pat Townson recovers from a stroke. 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