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Volume 28 : Issue 19 : "text" Format

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  Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up  
  Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up  
  Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up 
  Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up 
   Foreign Listings Again
  Re: POTS Announcing Hardware -- What's It Called? 
  Re: Long Distance (was: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack?) 
  Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy 
  Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy 
  Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence 
  Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence 
  Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
  DC cellphone may be overwhelmed 


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:16:56 -0800 (PST)
From: David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks   it up  
Message-ID: <25f75574-f3bc-4910-99da-c693a161a07c@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>

On Jan 18, 7:54am, Koos van den Hout <koos
+newspost...@kzdoos.xs4all.nl> wrote:

> All those phone companies stopping this service should have secondhand
> equipment for sale.

Maybe, if I knew what it was called.

> But: if you can live without the solder smell and copper of POTS lines,
> building something which tells time in an Asterisk voip pbx is easy.

Thanks.  I'm looking at their web pages.  This wasn't exactly the
solution I wanted, but it would be far cheaper in the long run.  POTS
lines cost a fortune anyway.  I appreciate the help.


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Date: 19 Jan 2009 14:16:07 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks   it up  
Message-ID: <20090119141607.67749.qmail@simone.iecc.com>

>> In Boston, time is 617-637-xxxx and weather is 617-936-xxxx, for any xxxx.
>> I just called them, both say they're Verizon.
>
>I was able to get time & temperature at 617-637-1212, but 617-936-1212
>had a recording of number out of service.  could the incoming lines be
>restricted to Boston only?

I just tried 617-936-1212 and it worked fine.  I'm not calling from
Boston, I have a Lingo phone with an Ithaca NY number that is
physically located in the UK.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor
"More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:17:07 -0600 (CST)
From: jsw <jsw@ivgate.omahug.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up 
Message-ID: <200901191417.n0JEH7qB061833@ivgate.omahug.org>

>IIRC, from an old Bell Labs record, New York Telephone in NYC had live
>operators annouce the time every 30 seconds circa 1940.  The operators
>sat there for 15 or 30 minute shifts and then relieved.

The serivce I remember in NYC was supposed to be something like
637-1212 or maybe 637-TIME, but any 637-xxxx would work.

However, EVERYBODY knew it by memory as NERVOUS (637-8687) and
usually dialed it that way.

IIRC, they had announcements every 20 seconds, with the term
'exactly' being used for the on-the-minute announcement.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:18:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: AT&T drops Appleton, WI time/temp service - local guy picks it up 
Message-ID: <200901192218.RAA21086@ss10.danlan.com>

koos+newsposting@kzdoos.xs4all.nl (Koos van den Hout) wrote:

|Incoming numbers via voip are either free or cheap (depending on area
|code and arrangements).

What would be a good place to get a free incoming voip number?

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@danlan.*com


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:32:21 -0700
From: "Fred Atkinson" <fatkinson@mishmash.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject:  Foreign Listings Again
Message-ID: <005201c97a42$bd874980$c800000a@mishmash>

Greetings from Las Cruces, New Mexico.

    Approximately six months ago, I relocated to Las Cruces, New Mexico to
accept a position with a company performing a government contract.

    I temporarily set up with Qwest a voicemail only account so that I could
port that number to my VOIP service provider once I got out here and got
settled.

    The port was successful.  I now have VOIP service on that telephone number
(it is on a well recognized exchange code for Las Cruces, 526 in particular).
Carolina Net is my VOIP provider.

    As I did with AT&T in SC and GA, and with Verizon when I was in NC, I
tried to arrange a foreign listing for my local number.  As I also did with
AT&T in SC and GA, and with Verizon when I was in NC, I had to file a
complaint with the respective PSCs because AT&T and Verizon were refusing to
provide my directory assistance listing (which they are required to do under
FCC rules).

    Unlike with when I was in SC, NC, or GA, the NM PSC doesn't seem to want
to meet their responsibility in requiring Qwest to make the listing.  They did
contact Qwest on my behalf.  When Qwest responded to them, the story I was
given was that Qwest has a confidential policy which the PSC can not share
with me.  They require my VOIP provider to arrange the listing for me.  This
is a smokescreen if I ever heard one.

    We tried this.  Carolina Net tried to get the listing for me but was told
that since my telephone number was out of the coverage area (I confirmed with
Qwest that it is *not* out of the coverage area), that it was a foreign
listing and they would not make the listing for me.  They told Carolina Net
that I would have to go to Qwest and arrange the listing.  Qwest again
refused.

    The NM PSC told me to contact DEX Media (who is the provider of the local
phone book out here).  DEX said they would accept a foreign listing for
business, but not for a residence.

    I have filed a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission.  Of
course, that is a slow process.  I was just hoping there might be someone from
Qwest reading the posts on Telecom Digest to see if we can get this resolved
peacefully.

    As per previous discussions on Telecom Digest, we ascertained that the
incumbent LEC is required to accept foreign listings according to FCC section
51.217(c)(3).  Specifically: A LEC shall accept the listings of those
customers served by competing providers for inclusion in its directory
assistance/operator services databases.

    I can't believe this is the fourth time I've had to go regulatory to
enforce what is a clear responsibility of the LECs under the rules of the
Federal Communications Commission.

    If anyone can be of help, I'd appreciate it.

    Regards,



                                                            Fred Atkinson


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:31:39 -0500
From: Carl Navarro <cnavarro@wcnet.org>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: POTS Announcing Hardware -- What's It Called? 
Message-ID: <clf9n4db14lrok52gfejjho8en83dihs6o@4ax.com>

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:27:06 -0500 (EST), David Kaye
<sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to figure out what to call the hardware that takes an audio
>feed and puts it out on multiple POTS lines.  The equipment has
>hardware that talks to each line independently, answers the call,
>takes the audio and puts it out onto the phone line, and times out
>after X number of minutes, drops the call when the caller hangs up,
>etc.
>
>I can't buy the equipment if I don't know what it's called.  I'm not
>really talking about voice cards such as Dialogic cards, but a self-
>contained unit such as Automation Electronics of Oakland used to make.

In the simplest sense, you're looking for a call sequencer or a
Multi-Line digital announcer.  They are getting harder to find because
many of the newer phone systems have that capability built-in.

You buy them by the number of ports required and features needed.  For
example.  If your doing this for a church so shut-in's could listen to
a Sunday service, a Viking 6-port unit with barge-in would probably
handle it.  However, an NCH Software Broadwave would do it for tons
less, even to users with dial-up internet access.

I think the problem you're going to find is a reasonable system that
plays a message and times out after x minutes.  Your sticker shock is
about $4K for a bare bones 12-port Viking with thin statistics and no
timeout and $1K for a 4 port DL4 from another vendor..  Compare that
to a Sub $1K add in to a Panasonic PBX, or a $2k voice mail/auto
attendant sytem, and you can see why it's not being offered by many
companies.

Some vendors to check out  
http://www.vikingelectronics.com/
http://www.interalia.com/
http://www.temar.net/pg17.html

Carl


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:50:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Long Distance (was: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack?) 
Message-ID: <487a1190-7995-42ec-90b0-410c3fc9c0f0@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

On Jan 18, 10:13am, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
> >Actually,Onesuiteprepaid calling card rates via local access numbers
> >across the US [are] only 2.5 cents per minute [when] calling a US
> >number and only 1.9 cpm to Canada. The .5 cents and 1.1 cents
> >difference (versus the 3 cents you mentioned) adds up if you make [a
> >lot of] calls.
>
> If you make a lot of calls, why not get a flat rate VoIP plan? Lingo
> has one under $20/mo if you pay a year at a time.

I don't want to get another yearly plan, or even [a] monthly plan: I
once did, and fell victim to SunRocket's sudden closure, losing 7
months of unused service in the process. At the same time, my calling
habits are perfect for pay as you go plans like Onesuite, and [I like]
not worrying if I'm doing enough calls just to make my money's worth
on the plan.

> >and, like MagicJack, you also need a PC to use it, but SuiteAdvantage
> >can [also] be set up (thoughOnesuite[won't] give support) on a
> >regular ATA device (Grandstream, Linksys, etc) so you can leave your
> >PC turned off and still use their VoIP service.
>
> There's lots of services that will terminate a phone number on a SIP
> device. That's not unusual either.

I agree, but [I'm] not sure how many providers offer prepaid phone
card amd voip service in one account. Also, we are talking about Magic
Jack here so I just pointed out MJ disadvantage.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:44:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy 
Message-ID: <38b754b6-0c6f-40bf-af92-95b9d35ed247@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

On Jan 19, 2:17am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone has the same problem with iPhone? It seems other cellphones
> have a lot of QA issues.

Like what the other poster suggested, try to check if you can turn
time sync off on your Iphone or any other mobile phone.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:46:40 -0800
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Clock Inaccuracy 
Message-ID: <BObdl.10749$W06.9343@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>

Stephen wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2:17 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Anyone has the same problem with iPhone? It seems other cellphones
>> have a lot of QA issues.
> 
> Like what the other poster suggested, try to check if you can turn
> time sync off on your Iphone or any other mobile phone.
> 
My Palm on the Sprint Network has an option to set the date and time 
network to nothing.

-- 
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? 
(c) 2009  I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:47:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence 
Message-ID: <10b95996-6ba8-4497-819e-05fe54bb1700@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

On Jan 18, 12:12am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote:
> That's sad. He is a smart guy, but everyone wants him dead.
>
> Extracts from Bloomberg's premature Steve Jobs obituary:
>
> [Link removed]

Well that's his health he's talking about...and he deserves a time out
even if it takes a year.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:50:34 -0800
From: Steven Lichter <diespammers@ikillspammers.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs medical leave of absence 
Message-ID: <gSbdl.1595$PE4.568@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>

Stephen wrote:
> On Jan 18, 12:12 am, alex.pux...@gmail.com wrote:
>> That's sad. He is a smart guy, but everyone wants him dead.
>>
>> Extracts from Bloomberg's premature Steve Jobs obituary:
>>
>> [Link removed]
> 
> Well that's his health he's talking about...and he deserves a time out
> even if it takes a year.

The company with survive and do ok, Apple has a lot of talent, many have 
been there since the start.  It is not a one man company, Steve Jobs is 
the front man for Apple, he ran the business end at the start when Woz 
was the man everyone saw.  I know a lot of people there, for many years 
I ran an Apple II BBS and later wrote software for the machine.

-- 
The Only Good Spammer is a Dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? 
(c) 2009  I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot In Hell Co.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:37:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen <stephencole7@gmail.com>
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Any user reviews of the Magic Jack? 
Message-ID: <bb2edd31-0a43-4a6a-84e4-509ad433a65b@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

On Jan 19, 9:22am, "www.Queensbridge.us" <NOTva...@Queensbridge.us>
wrote:
> On Jan 17, 10:43am, Stephen <stephenco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually,Onesuiteprepaid calling card rates via local access numbers
> > across the US [are] only 2.5 cents per minute [when] calling a US
> > number and only 1.9 cpm to Canada. The .5 cents and 1.1 cents
> > difference (versus the 3 cents you mentioned) adds up if you make [a
> > lot of] calls.
>
> I usually use the toll free number forOneSuiteaccess as local access
> calls here in NYC are billed at 11 with tax.
>
> If I were to know that myOneSuiteLDX call would [were to?] be long
> talk-length I would use local access # and then get the 2.5CPM.
> Otherwise it is cheaper to pay 2.9CPM for =<3 minutes.
>
> I usually useOneSuitefor my LOCAL calls here in NYC unless I am
> calling totally free [of cost] via GrandCentral.com

Oh I didn't know Onesuite local access access in NYC are billed by
your local phone provider. Are you using this NYC numbers ->
6463529215, 6462173791

Anyhow if thats the case then you are doing a good job of maximizing
your savings.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:25:56 -0800 (PST)
From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
To: redacted@invalid.telecom.csail.mit.edu
Subject: DC cellphone may be overwhelmed 
Message-ID: <c7b9a641-3999-495b-8500-0de9956c1f5a@p29g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>

Cell phone carriers are concerned that a high volume of traffic may
overwhelm their systems on Tuesday of the Inaugural.

See:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/19/technology/19cell.html

(If anyone is down there or has info or how it actually operated,
could you share it with us?)


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