TELECOM Digest OnLine - Sorted: Re: Four-Fold Increase in Serious Child Sexual Abuse on Web

Re: Four-Fold Increase in Serious Child Sexual Abuse on Web

Rick Merrill (
Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:03:06 -0400

Reuters News Wire wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You know, considering the fact that
> people who operate or use such web sites usually work best in the dark
> (like roaches or other vermin) I have to wonder why a few hackers do
> not -- in their travels around the web -- when they come across one of
> these sites don't just park there for awhile and make a few notes on
> the IP addresses and/or email addresses of the users, then just rip
> them off royally; snatch all the credit card numbers they can find;
> put the names and addresses, etc of the users and the sellers on a web
> page, making it almost impossible for them to continue doing their
> 'business'. Oh, I am sure ICANN and a few other net do-gooders would
> not like it at all, but really, who cares. PAT]

There are times to fight fire with fire.

We need a botnet of good guys to fight back!

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A few organizations like this are
already operating: I am reminded of '' for
one; a large group of volunteers which trolls the various chat systems
specifically using false names and pictures (and leaving the
impression they are underage children) attempting to lure older people
into chats with them. I have sort of mixed emotions on this technique,
but it seems to work as intended, at least if you watch MSNBC's
continuing series called 'To Catch a Predator'. Perverted Justice
claims they do NOT make the first move, and they do keep careful chat
logs which they turn over to police frequently. Perverted Justice
claims they log on using a name and sit there waiting to be
approached. Apparently they never have to wait very long. They claim
they are non-committal in their responses on line except to 'give the
impression' to the adult chatter that they are a minor and that they
are home alone, and 'looking for some fun'. They have staged a 'sting
operation' in Petaluma, California and in a rural town in Georgia,
outside of Atlanta. MSNBC has televised the results of the sting
operations and it is simply amazing to watch these men show up --
actually go up to the door -- of the house rented for the occassion
expecting to meet the 'child' they were chatting with on line. I think
Petaluma netted some fifty or sixty guys in the sting, and Georgia was
the same way. The men bring beer and other alcoholic beverages,
web-cams, sex-toys, condoms and whatever for their 'new friend'.

I said earlier I have mixed emotions about this approach, since any
number of the men caught up in the sting (they invariably get arrested
by police who are lurking in the weeds when the guy comes out of the
house empty-handed after being 'greeted' by an NBC commentator) claim
they would not have ever gotten involved if Perverted Justice had not
induced them to make the first move. I know, as you must, that many of
these guys are notorious liars, but a few of them at least appeared to
be telling the truth, and only stuck around in the chat room when the
'child' encouraged them by providing them with the address to come to
and making suggestions about what they would 'do' or wanted
'done'. Many of the guys had earlier criminal histories but quite a
few of them did not.

Perverted Justice's stock answer to that is "So what? It is against
federal law for any adult to engage in computer chat of a sexual
nature with someone they believe to be a minor. Why were you there
talking to that person anyway? When the person said (claimed, lied)
that they were (ages 10-17?) your response should have been to break
off any further communication. Cease any further comments, period."

Apparently now, in response, a few individuals are trying to spoil the
fun for Perverted Justice by going systematically around to the
various chat rooms (of the several thousand on the net) and typing in
to the room at large or to individual users something like this:
CHAT. THANK YOU." In particular, they seem to like putting messages
like these on chat rooms on AOL/Yahoo/MSN known to be used by kids or
known to be used for sex talk. Wouldn't _that_ spoil a good chat? PAT]

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