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TELECOM Digest Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:50:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 148
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
Question on Caller ID on Panasonic KX-TA624 (eljainc@ameritech.net)
Harrasing Annoying Ex Boyfriend Phone Calls CALLER ID Manager (Paratwa)
MCI Rejects Qwest's Offer For Third Time (Telecom dailyLead from USTA)
Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls (Dale Farmer)
Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls (Robert Bonomi)
Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls (Thomas A. Horsley)
Re: Google Maps (Steve Sobol)
Re: Can Somebody Please Explain CSD to Me? (Joseph)
Re: Prison Cell Phone Scandal (T. Sean Weintz)
Re: Cable Execs Say They're Not Blocking Outside VoIP (Thomas Horsley)
Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed (Joseph)
Last Laugh! Supreme Court Grokster - Funny Spin (randall62@gmail.com)
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From: eljainc@ameritech.net
Subject: Question on Caller ID on Panasonic KX-TA624
Date: 6 Apr 2005 12:44:30 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Hello,
We have a Panasonic KX-TA624 hybrid phone system along with the
KXT-7735 phones. We have 4 phone lines and the caller ID card is
properly set up on the system. When an incoming call comes in, each
phone displays the CID information. However, if one person is on a call
and another call comes in, they do not see caller ID information. The
phone line display only lights. Is there a way to have the system
display CID information on the other calls? I believe the other phone
extensions that are not in use will see the CID information.
Thanks,
Mike McWhinney
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From: Paratwa <support@usenetserver.com>
Subject: Harrasing Annoying Ex Boyfriend Phone Calls CALLER ID Manager
Organization: UseNetServer
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:38:49 -0500
I'm mainly posting this in the hope that it might help other Google
searchers, with my particular problem. Basically I discovered that
the police don't do much to individuals who enjoy harassing and
annoying others by calling their phone. My situation was somewhat
unique in that an ex boyfriend of my wife enjoyed calling at all hours
of the night once leaving 37 messages on our answering machine. I
used all the phone company resources I could buy from Bellsouth (call
block, caller anonymous rejection and caller ID) to no avail. The
Bellsouth call block feature doesn't work to block cell phones (how
nice for our annoying caller) and he simply turned off the feature
blocking HIS phone number. Since he didn't leave threatening messages
the police didn't care. We were reduced to just turning off the
ringer and answering machine at night and reviewing the
caller ID prior to answering the phone during the day.
Finally took a chance on the somewhat pricey Caller ID Manager from
Privacy Corps. I couldn't find any independent comments on this
device from others, so here are mine. The good news is it works --
peace and quiet finally. The annoying callers phone number is
programmed to go to an unused port on the device. When he calls the
phone doesn't ring and he can't leave a message on the answering
machine. I programmed it to block my cell phone temporarily as a
test. Calling the device with a blocked numbers leads the caller to
believe your phone is ringing, which is perfect for my situation. He
doesn't even know he isn't harrassing us but thinks he is. Another
nice freature is the display is much larger than my phones so it's
useful as a mundane caller ID device as well.
The Caller ID manager has other useful features I haven't taken
advantage of yet mainly because of the one bad feature of the device
which I'll discuss below. It can be programmed to not allow ANY calls
between certain hours (sorry Aunt Bertha I guess we left the ringer
off). Also it has a silent feature good for avoiding phone calls,
while entertaining or watching a movie. The silent feature can be
setup for a couple hours after which it automatically allows the phone
to ring again.
Ok the bad news. I recommend you burn the manual immediately after
opening the box. I've installed motherboards in computers, setup a
wireless home network and setup a 5.1 home theater in my house, but
the Caller ID manager eluded all my programming attempts. The web site
FAQ is likewise useless since much of it is a copy / paste of the
manual.
Please Privacy Corps write a new manual and post it on your
web site -- I'll review it for a small fee. Another thing that could
bother others is that all other phones need to have their ringer off
or you have to buy another remote device from the same people for the
other phone. Otherwise the other phones will ring. If you buy the
remote thing, with the caller ID manager, its half price --
unfortunately I missed this selling point. We've had our phone
ringers off, except for the main phone, for so long it isn't a problem
to have only one phone ringing.
The manual is useless is so I had to call technical support. I
recommend you be seated as you read further. I didn't have to wait
long and talked to somebody who spoke clear ENGLISH and was friendly
AND actually understood the device backwards and forwards. If anybody
from Privacy Corps ever reads this don't let that guy leave -- at least
till you've rewritten the manual. With his help I had the device
wired and setup as I needed fairly quickly (less than 30 minutes).
If you have an annoying ex boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse whatever this
is the device for you. The web sites are http://www.privacycorps.com
and http://www.person-to-person.net . The last one is the one with
the FAQ and a tips section consisting of portions of the manual.
Regards.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am glad it works for you. Southwestern
Bell (SBC; their chairman's office, or rather, the flunky who responds
in his name) has a rather odd philosophy on customer privacy. If you
do all the things you are able to do to block out unwanted calls, and
still continue to recieve calls from caller ID '000-000-0000' or some
similar nonsensical number, SBC none-the-less insists that they have
delivered caller ID. If you ask them why can't they do a database
dip and treat obviously undialable/unreachable numbers as anonymous
(and you have paid to have anonymous calls rejected). "We received
caller ID and passed it along, therefore it is _not_ an 'anonymous'
call and not subject to anonymous call rejection." And other telcos can
reject calls from interLATA numbers; why can't SBC? Well, they could
if they wanted to; but customer privacy is not a big thing with them.
SBC is such a sleazy, cheap operation. PAT]
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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:51:53 EDT
From: Telecom dailyLead from USTA <usta@dailylead.com>
Subject: MCI Rejects Qwest's Offer For Third Time
Telecom dailyLead from USTA
pril 6, 2005
http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=20626&l=2017006
TODAY'S HEADLINES
NEWS OF THE DAY
* MCI rejects Qwest's offer for third time
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH
* Cablevision offers $16.5 billion for Adelphia
* How high will Qwest go?
* CFOs predict solid growth for MSOs
* Nokia to build plant in India
USTA SPOTLIGHT
* SIP Demystified Now Available in the Telecom Bookstore
EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES
* Mobile phones to get TV listings
* Skype taps into outside programmers' creativity
REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE
* More students download entertainment legally
Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others.
http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=20626&l=2017006
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From: Dale Farmer <dale@cybercom.net>
Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge.
Subject: Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:35:10 GMT
Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> In article <telecom24.146.5@telecom-digest.org>, John McHarry
> <jmcharry@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:45:51 -0700, Lisa Minter wrote:
>>> Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls
>>> Four churches in Mexico have unobtrusively installed Israeli-made
>>> cell-phone jammers to thwart those who don't seem to understand they
>>> should turn the things off during services or weddings. They're not
>>> the only ones to install the jammers.
>> This is kind of old news. Jammers are illegal in the US, but if I were
>> building or extensively remodeling a theatre, church, etc., I would
>> make it into a Faraday cage. Done right, it is also good insulation.
> Really? I'd be interested to know what the current state of the art
> for "done right" is in this area. I saw such a room constructed once,
> about 10-15 years ago: it had "wallpaper" with a conductive grid
> printed on the back, and long strips of copper tape running up each
> corner of the room to ensure that all the sides were shorted together.
> There was chicken-wire-like mesh in the ceiling (this made running
> cables a real pain!) and I'm not sure what was in the floor. But I
> wouldn't call anything I saw there particularly good thermal
> insulation.
> I've always figured this must just be how it's done. Is there some
> other method?
That's one way. For new construction, embed the grounded mesh inside
the walls ceiling and floor so it is less easy to damage. Size of the
mesh is dictated by what wavelengths you want to stop.
--Dale
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From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:45:39 -0000
Organization: Widgets, Inc.
In article <telecom24.147.11@telecom-digest.org>, jtaylor
<jtaylor@deletethis.hfx.andara.com> wrote:
> John McHarry <jmcharry@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:telecom24.146.5@telecom-digest.org:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:45:51 -0700, Lisa Minter wrote:
>>> Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls
>>> Four churches in Mexico have unobtrusively installed Israeli-made
>>> cell-phone jammers to thwart those who don't seem to understand they
>>> should turn the things off during services or weddings. They're not
>>> the only ones to install the jammers.
>> This is kind of old news. Jammers are illegal in the US, but if I were
>> building or extensively remodeling a theatre, church, etc., I would
>> make it into a Faraday cage. Done right, it is also good insulation.
> And so we have a situation where it is not the act that is illegal,
> but the method.
> Would those who so quickly hope for a lawsuit to arise from a jammer
> interfering with an emergency wireless telephone call also claim that
> a building so constructed would similarly be grounds for action?
In the U.S. *operating* an unlicensed transmitter is, with a few
exceptions, contrary to law. _Operating_ a transmitter, whether
licensed or otherwise, to "deliberately interfere" with the operation
of another licensed transmitter is contrary to law.
Pure "passive" measures, however, are *NOT* proscribed by law. Among
other reasons, because your signal has no 'right' of transit across
somebody else's private property.
Engaging in a legally proscribed activity that has the side-effect of
"danger to life and limb" of un-involved third parties _does_ open one
up to civil suit from those who suffered adverse consequences from the
_proscribed_ activity -- as well as the risk of criminal prosecution
for those actions.
An aside, I have direct knowledge of one church that actually Faraday
caged their sanctuary. In fact, they did it nearly *FORTY* years ago,
now. They were undergoing change from 'traditional' to 'modern' style
of services, including a complete remodel of the sanctuary -- with a
very "open" area for the ministers, etc. No podium, lectern, etc.
So, they went with _wireless_ microphones feeding the P.A. system.
All the various changes were perceived to be a -major- improvement,
attendance was climbing, more younger people were being drawn in,
etc. etc. Then there was a momentous Sunday morning, when somebody
with a high-powered mobile radio (probably an illegal CB rig) drove
down the street, during the sermon. There was a "most unfortunate"
juxtaposition of his language over the minister's sermon, as his
transmission overloaded the receiver for the PA system. There wasn't
any practical way to eliminate the wireless mic's, while retaining the
'character' of the new-style services, so they _did_ shield the entire
sanctuary to prevent any recurrence.
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Subject: Re: Wired: Word From on High: Jam Cell Calls
From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:51:48 GMT
> Would those who so quickly hope for a lawsuit to arise from a jammer
> interfering with an emergency wireless telephone call also claim that
> a building so constructed would similarly be grounds for action?
Judging from the crowd of folks you always see walking back and forth
and talking on their cells in parking lots, most buildings are
apparently *already* constructed this way :-).
>>==>> The *Best* political site <URL:http://www.vote-smart.org/> >>==+
email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL |
<URL:http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley> Free Software and Politics <<==+
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From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Google Maps
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:34:15 -0700
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
AES wrote:
> I love all the remarkable, almost unbelievable and unlimited features
> of Google. But it truly bothers me that what is fast becoming THE
> primary reference and search tool and "window on the world" for me and
> so many others is founded on and controlled by an entirely commercial
> and primarily advertising-supported financial base.
How do you expect Google to pay its bills if it's not going to be either
advertising-supported or subscriber-supported?
> environmental, or other information is made readily available to you
> -- by less idealistic people who might (in fact, are certain to)
> acquire ownership of Google some time in the future.
Google's already gone public. I think you're a little late expressing your
concerns.
> "Dependence on advertising tends to corrupt. Total dependence on
> advertising corrupts totally." My own equivalent for today.
"I want a free lunch, but I'm not willing to allow other people to pay
for it." My interpretation of your quote.
JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
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From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Can Somebody Please Explain CSD to Me?
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:56:14 -0700
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com
On 6 Apr 2005 12:40:05 GMT, Koos van den Hout
<koos+newsposting@kzdoos.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> To your computer it will look like a normal modem that understands
> Hayes commands to build a connection and dial your ISP. Your phone
> will convert it to a gsm-data call. Cingular can have a different rate
> for those calls and not count it against 'voice' minutes you may have.
CSD = circuit switched data. CSD uses plan minutes as opposed to GPRS
which just uses data and data is billed differently. By the kilobyte
(if measured) or unlimited in some cases.
------------------------------
From: T. Sean Weintz <strap@hanh-ct.org>
Subject: Re: Prison Cell Phone Scandal
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:59:29 -0400
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Fred Atkinson wrote:
> Perhaps *this* might define a legitimate use for a cell phone jammer.
> Fred
Except I wonder how many prisons have their corrections officers using
cell phones to communicate with one another?
Don't want to jam *them*, of course.
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Subject: Re: Cable Execs Say They're Not Blocking Outside VoIP
From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:46:39 GMT
> ...Rutledge dismissed the idea of selectively blocking services out of
> hand...
Practically every cable company I know of blocks port 80 so you can't
host a web server on your home machine, so it is nice to know they are
gonna stop that too :-).
>>==>> The *Best* political site <URL:http://www.vote-smart.org/> >>==+
email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL |
<URL:http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley> Free Software and Politics <<==+
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From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:17:02 -0700
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:16:17 GMT, [Telecom digest editor>] wrote:
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do we have Ms. Shiavo buried yet, at
> least for the purposes of this Digest? PAT]
Since Mr. Townsend is the editor of TD/CDT he of course could return
submissions to those who submit them and let them know that it is not
of relevance to TD/CDT. But then again it would require a bit of
editorial control.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Do you have any idea what you are
talking about? Mr. Townsend returns _several hundred_ submissions
each day, largely spam in nature to the senders. Maybe to show you
what I am talking about, tomorrow or the next day I should just open
the gate and let _everything_ go out, at least to the Usenet audience.
I mean, do you think it is just some sort of accident that you get 15-20
messages in most issues, as though that is all that comes in? And by
the by, to quote Mr. Oscar Wilde, I could care less what the
newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name correctly. It is
TOWNSON, not 'Townsend'. PAT]
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From: randall62@gmail.com
Subject: Last Laugh! Supreme Court Grokster - Funny Spin
Date: 6 Apr 2005 10:46:10 -0700
Here is an funny spin on the whole Grokster in the Supreme Court:
http://www.orlandocitybeat.com/custom/popculture/ocb-popculture-rant033005-s,0,5997369.story?coll=ocb--pop-promos
You can get lofty about the issues or view them from the level of the
man-in-the-street, but you can't do both objectively.
cya,
Rnl
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