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TELECOM Digest     Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:35:00 EDT    Volume 24 : Issue 143

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Vatican Used SMS, Email to Announce Pope's Death (Lisa Minter)
    China's Giant Pandas Get Broadband (Lisa Minter)
    EFFector 18.10: WIPO Lockout Inspires Global Protest (Monty Solomon)
    EFFector 18.11: Supreme Court Justices Grill Both Sides (Monty Solomon)
    LG and Matsushita to Settle Plasma Dispute -- Paper (Monty Solomon)
    Re: Blackboards vs. Whiteboards (Tony P.)
    Re: New Technology Brings Back Old Problem For 911 (Tony P.)
    Re: The Real Reason Why SBC Won't Work With Vonage on E-911 (Tony P.)
    Re: The Real Reason Why SBC Won't Work With Vonage on E-911 (Wesrock)
    Re: Cell Phone Compatibility (Joseph)
    Re: Every Ten Days (Wesrock@aol.com)
    Re: Some Concerned About Privacy Implications of E-ZPass (Dave Close)
    Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed (Joseph)
    Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed (jmeissen@aracnet)
    List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm (M Solomon)
    Re: Does Your Computer Look Like This? (Dave Garland)
    Re: Does Your Computer Look Like This? (Tony P.)
    Re: Classic Telephone Call on PC (Robert Bonomi)
    Re: Digest Has a New Sponsor (Sellcom Tech Support)

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Date: 03 Apr 2005 11:43:25 -0700
From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Vatican Used SMS, Email to Announce Pope's Death


VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - It took just minutes for the Catholic Church
to alert the world's media of John Paul's death -- using text messages
and email so the 2,000-year-old Church could meet the new demands of
real-time news.

Just a quarter of an hour after the Pope was pronounced dead Saturday
at 9:37 p.m., the Vatican sent journalists an SMS message alerting
them to a pending statement.

Television networks across the globe were already on standby a minute
later when the email communique was beamed to a sea of
state-of-the-art handheld computers, purchased by journalists at the
suggestion of the Vatican.

"The Holy father died this evening at 21:37 in his private apartment,"
it said, in a simple Word document.

TV spectators across the globe learned of the Pope's death even before
the thousands of faithful gathered in prayer below the Pope's window
in St. Peter's Square.

Archbishop Leonardo Sandri only informed them minutes later and their
reaction -- a long round of applause, an Italian custom -- was
captured on television in real time.

During John Paul's life and after his death, the Vatican was at pains
to accommodate the mass media, which closely followed the 84-year-old
Pope's decline and spells in hospital.

Medical bulletins this year gave brief snapshots of the Pontiff's
condition, growing increasingly pessimistic as they prepared the world
for the worst.

It was a marked break from the secrecy surrounding previous
pontificates, even as recently as the 1960s. The Vatican, for example,
kept Pope John XXIII's inoperable stomach cancer secret until just a
few days before he died in June 1963.

The Pope himself wrote in a February letter that the Church should not
be shy of using the media, including the Internet, to spread its
message, saying the "mass media can and must promote justice and
solidarity."  

For the faithful, the extremely public suffering and death of John
Paul became a central part of his message and inspired comparisons
with Jesus Christ.  

Stricken with illnesses including Parkinson's Disease, he was unable
to walk or, in the final weeks, speak publicly.

"For me, his suffering had purpose," said Sonia Stipa, 41, holding a
candle in St. Peter's Square. "It was like the pain that Jesus endured
for humanity."

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Date: 03 Apr 2005 11:42:07 -0700
From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: China's Giant Pandas Get Broadband


BEIJING (Christian Science Monitor) Calling all tech-savvy pandas --
China's biggest nature reserve in the foggy mountains of southwest
Sichuan province is now wired for broadband.

Some might argue that the Wolong Giant Panda Nature Reserve, China's
largest, is now ready for the world's first panda internet cafe, but
the great digital leap forward is aimed more at panda protection.

Researchers are able to process real-time data on the pandas,
including photos and video signals, around the clock at any given
corner of the nature reserve, or observe giant panda cubs on a daily
basis without having to step out of their offices," Xinhua said.

"Digital technology has changed communication between Wolong and the
rest of the world and will help promote information sharing on giant
panda protection," said Zhang Weimin, director of the reserve.

"This will not only help increase the number of giant pandas, but also
help us manage the living environment of giant pandas in a more
efficient manner."

Wolong, founded in 1963, covers 200,000 hectares (772 square miles)
and is home to 76 giant pandas.

The giant panda is one of the world's most endangered species, with an
estimated 1,000 living in Sichuan and in northwestern Shaanxi and
Gansu provinces.

Statistics from the State Forestry Administration released last year
show the number of pandas in the wild in China has risen by more than
40 percent from 1,110 in the 1980s to 1,590, while a total of 161 are
in captive breeding programs worldwide.

"Despite the increase, the animal's existence is menaced by problems
including loss of habitat and a low rate of reproduction," Xinhua
said, meaning that pandas are not yet out of the woods.

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:56:33 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: EFFector 18.10: WIPO Lockout Inspires Global Protest


EFFector  Vol. 18, No. 10  March 25, 2005  donna@eff.org

A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
ISSN 1062-9424

In the 326th Issue of EFFector:

 * WIPO Lockout Inspires Global Protest
 * EFF Appeals Ruling in Apple Case
 * Leading Nonprofits Take Stand Against Business Method
   Patents
 * CopyNight Reminder - Mashups & Martinis, March 29
 * Tell a Friend About EFF - Send a Postcard From the 
   Electronic Frontier!
 * MiniLinks (17): New Indian Patent Law Threatens Human 
   Health
 * Administrivia

http://www.eff.org/effector/18/10.php

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:58:11 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: EFFector 18.11: Supreme Court Justices Grill Both Sides


EFFector  Vol. 18, No. 11  March 31, 2005  donna@eff.org

A Publication of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
ISSN 1062-9424

In the 327th Issue of EFFector:

 * Supreme Court Justices Grill Both Sides at Copyright
   Hearing
 * New US Passports Will Serve as Terrorist Beacons
 * It's Official: TSA Lied 
 * MiniLinks (11): A Few Notes From the Grokster Argument
 * Administrivia

http://www.eff.org/effector/18/11.php

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:12:28 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: LG and Matsushita to Settle Plasma Dispute -- Paper


Reuters
Saturday, April 2, 2005; 8:28 AM

TOKYO (Reuters) - The world's No. 1 and 3 suppliers of plasma panels,
the key component in flat-screen televisions, have agreed to settle
their dispute over plasma display technology, a newspaper said on
Saturday.

South Korea's LG Electronics Inc. and Japan's Matsushita Electric
Industrial Co. filed lawsuits against each other last year, claiming
infringements on patents related to plasma technology. The suits have
led to a halt of imports of LG panels into Japan and Matsushita panels
to South Korea.

The tussle has been just one of a number of legal disputes over panel
technology among Japanese firms and rivals from South Korea and
Taiwan, underscoring a fierce fight for position in the potentially
lucrative market for flat panel TVs.

The two companies have been holding talks and are expected to agree on
a settlement that would require LG to pay royalties to Matsushita
while allowing each firm access to some of the other's patents, the
Nihon Keizai Shimbun said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20736-2005Apr2

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From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: Blackboards vs. Whiteboards
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:00:59 -0400


In article <telecom24.142.10@telecom-digest.org>, jbhines@newsguy.com 
says:

> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

>> I heard my school district will modernize and replace the classic
>> "blackboard" (or greenboard) with modern 'whiteboards'.  I can't help
>> but wonder if this is a dumb idea.

> I remember elementary Catholic school, 20 years ago, where white
> shirts, and black pants was the uniform of the day, so when come the
> last class on Friday, stealing what ever chalk was left on the board,
> was the thing to do.

> We had "chicken fights" on the walk home, where one guy on the back of
> another would try and do as much damage as he could.

> The white chalk would wash out no problems, so mom wasn't mad.

> Egoism, bumps and bruises ...

> That and being bad that day in class and you could be penalized by
> having to say after and "clap the erasers", which meant you'd miss the
> fights. <g>

Can you honestly tell me you guys never chalked a nun/priest/brother?
That was a favorite trick -- just run up and pat em' on the back with
a well used eraser.

------------------------------

From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: New Technology Brings Back Old Problem For 911
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:11:17 -0400


In article <telecom24.141.9@telecom-digest.org>, strap@hanh-ct.org 
says:

> Jack Decker wrote:

>> "What we want to make people aware of is they are not able to access
>> 911 like you can on a traditional phone," said Mackinac County 911
>> Coordinator Pam Matelski. "The dispatch center will not get your
>> information."

> <tongue in cheek mode>

> Given the amount of airtime this issue has been given, anyone who is NOT 
> aware of the VOIP vs. 911 issue should be left to die when calling 911, 
> thus weeding their stupidity out of the gene pool and hopefully 
> improving humanity.

> <\tounge in chee mode>

> Seriously. Ths issue has been beaten to death in the media.

Because the incumbents are hemorrhaging red ink because of VoIP, and 
their offerings come too little too late. 

So at any opportunity they'll try to kill VoIP, or at least the
competitors at first, then they'll let their own VoIP services whither
so people will flock back to the three-9's reliability of circuit
switched.

The issue with E-911 is NOT a technical issue at all. For example, 
Vonage can get E-911 to work just fine in Rhode Island of all places. I 
dial 911 and I get the actual emergency answer point and they get my 
address info. 

Vonage uses facilities based carriers like Paetec and Focal, those 
already have interconnection to E-911 services in most every community 
they server. 

------------------------------

From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: The Real Reason Why SBC Won't Work With Vonage on E-911
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:06:21 -0400


In article <telecom24.141.7@telecom-digest.org>, strap@hanh-ct.org 
says:

> TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to a writer:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Can't you just see SBC chomping at the
>> bit to get the old 'Bell System' out of cold storage and back into
>> service with all its old ways, albiet modernized somewhat?  Put this
>> thing down -- refusal to work on 911 with VOIP carriers as one more
>> thing to negotiate when the FCC is asked to approve the AT&T/SBC
>> merger.  PAT]

> Scary. I am in what was SNET (Southern New England Telephone) territory. 
> What was I believe the oldest RBOC in the country -- in fact I am right 
> now sitting only about 1500 feet away from the site first commercial 
> switching office in the country.

> SBC bought out SNET a few years back, and has done NOTHING for us but
> take what WAS good service and make it lousy, while raising prices and
> laying off workers. Back in the monolithic BELL ATT days, things were
> MUCH more reliable than they are now. I'm talking REAL sloppy stuff --
> botched record keeping, service suddenly shifted to a different set of
> pairs on the underground feed for no apparent reasons, etc. etc.

> SNET HAD been in the process of running fiber all over our state (and
> starting to do Cable TV!) when SBC bought them out and nixed all that.

> I HATE SBC. My only hope now is that perhaps Verizon will get big enough 
> to buy them out? Or maybe some sort of deal that would give our state to 
> Verizon? (All the surrounding states, and even a teeny tiny portion of 
> this state, have Verizon as the local RBOC ILEC.)

Verizon does seem to be in a better position to purchase SBC at this 
point. But I suspect they'll first bankrupt Qwest, absorb it and then 
take either take on or start merger talks with SBC. 

Mother Bell will be reunited, but without the regulatory framework from 
days of old. Woe to the consumer. 

For all of SBC's blatant behavior the one to really watch is Verizon.
Look at the bid war they're having with Qwest over MCI. I suspect
their true motivation is to make Qwest pay far too much for MCI and
then they'll roll in for the liquidation.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ma Bell will live on forever, just like
Terri Schiavo.  In our nightmares, perhaps, but Ma does not intend you
should forget about her anytime soon.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:39:26 EST
Subject: Re: The Real Reason Why SBC Won't Work With Vonage on E-911


In a message dated Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:14:02 UTC, tls@panix.com (Thor
Lancelot Simon) writes:

> In article <telecom24.141.7@telecom-digest.org>, T. Sean Weintz
> <strap@hanh-ct.org> wrote:

>> SBC bought out SNET a few years back, and has done NOTHING for us but
>> take what WAS good service and make it lousy, while raising prices and
>> laying off workers. Back in the monolithic BELL ATT days, things were
>> MUCH more reliable than they are now. I'm talking REAL sloppy stuff --
>> botched record keeping, service suddenly shifted to a different set of
>> pairs on the underground feed for no apparent reasons, etc. etc.

> I'm not sure what the "monolithic BELL ATT days" might have been, but
> I would just like to point out that Southern New England Telephone
> (SNET) was never part of AT&T; it was not a wholly-owned subsidiary
> like most other regional operating companies and it was not directly
> controlled by AT&T in the same way in which the others were.  SNET had
> a separate ownership structure and was allowed to use the Bell logo,
> but remain at least partially outside the control of the Bell System,
> because of some very savvy dealmaking by its founders early on; Bell
> needed them more than they needed Bell, and so things were always done
> a little bit differently -- just a little bit, but still differently
> -- in SNET territory than in the "monolith".

I worked for Southwestern Bell for 32 years before I retired.  What
does this have to do with SNET?  Well, one of the things that they did
was send SWBT folks to AT&T headquarters for a month to see how it
worked there.

The AT&T folks, not knowing exactly what to do with you, often gave
you tasks like calling the operating companies and telling them about
some new procedure or something they should do or something AT&T was
doing that might affect the BOCs.

Most of the companies would listen more or less attentively, although
the companies were less monolithic in their operations than many
think.  Even in the five SWBT states, there were some state
organizations more independent than others.

Anyway, in doing these calls to other Bell companies, it was very
noticeable when you called SNET that they were very well aware that
they were not controlled by AT&T.  They might thank you for calling,
to be polite, but clearly they understood that they would do what SNET
wanted to do.

Same thing was true with Cincinnati & Suburban Bell Telephone Company
(the full name of the company then), although not quite so overtly.

Then there was Bell Canada, of which AT&T then owned only something
like 2%.  (Actually, they were pretty agreeable to work with, although
not accepting instructions for AT&T as anything other than just
informational.)


Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cell Phone Compatibility
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:57:06 -0800
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com


On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:26:26 -0700, SmarSquid <smarsquid@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a couple of inactive cell phones (Motorola 120e and Samsung
> GS-x426) that are lying around because I have taken phone
> upgrades. They are blanked out and ready for service, and I want to
> sell them on E-Bay. Howver, prospective buyers will want to know what
> cellular service providers the equipment will work with. How can I
> learn this? The Motorola was originally used in the Verizon Wireless
> network, and the Samsung was used in the AT&T Wireless network, but I
> have a feeling other providers could work with these phones. More
> network compatibility means a higher number of potential buyers.

As the French might say it depend.  The Verizon CDMA phone will likely
work only on another CDMA carrier that allows their customers to
attach a non-native CDMA equipment to their network.  Many networks
such as Sprint PCS which is also a CDMA network will not allow
connection of any device that they either do not sell or has been
formerly on their network.  They will check their database to see
whether the ESN (electronic serial number) is there.  If it is not
many carriers will not activate a handset that has not been on their
network.

In the case of the AT&T Wireless phone it will depend on which kind of
phone it is.  If it is a TDMA phone you will only be able to use it on
AT&T Wireless' TDMA network and not on any other network such as
cingular's TDMA network.  Cingular/AT&T will not activate any new TDMA
phone service though I imagine you can switch the ESN from what
someone already has to another phone which has been on the AT&T
Wireless network.

If it was on the AT&T Wireless GSM network you could use it on another
GSM network provided that the SIM lock is defeated.  AT&T Wireless did
not and will not give unlock codes for the GSM phones that it sold and
you either have to go to sites that will "remotely unlock" or find
someone to flex/flash the phone so that you can use it on another
network.  Also with older GSM phones that AT&T Wireless sold they were
single band 1900 only.  To get the best possible service you really
should get a dual band 850/1900 phone.

If you know which was the original provider you need to let your
perspective buyer know this.  Many buyers are well aware of what will
and will not work for them so I'd strongly advise giving as much
information as possible including which networks (and technology if
you know it) the phone uses.  Also you need to be sure and give the
correct full model number since some models have the same model number
but are for different technologies e.g. Motorola V60c, t or g
depending on whether it's CDMA, TDMA or GSM.

------------------------------

From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:58:25 EST
Subject: Re: Every Ten Days


In a message dated Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:00:28 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> writes:

> It was a dark and stormy night when Choreboy
> <choreboyREMOVE@localnet.com> wrote:

>> March 9, somebody from 877 467 3277 called.  I answered on the second
>> ring and they hung up.  They did it again March 19 and March 29.

> Large telemarketing operations sometimes use dialers that call
> numbers, and when there is an answer shunt the call to an available
> human telemarketer.  If all the telemarketers are busy (on the phone,
> on break, whatever), you get a few seconds of dead air, then it hangs
> up.

> This is an efficient use of the (probably minimum-wage) telemarketers,
> as they don't waste time dialing, waiting while it rings, getting
> answering machines, etc.  The efficiency, of course, comes at the
> expense of the victims like you.

This has been going on for quite a few years, and generated so many
complaints that the Oklahoma Legislature passed a law forbidding the
practice.

It has, of course, been no more effective than laws or regulations
calling with only a recorded message.


Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com

------------------------------

From: dave@compata.com (Dave Close)
Subject: Re: Some Concerned About Privacy Implications of E-ZPass System
Date: 2 Apr 2005 21:29:41 -0800
Organization: Compata, Costa Mesa, California


Stuart Barkley <stuartb@4gh.net> writes:

> The article and discussion here both miss what I consider a more
> important issue with the EZ-pass system:

And another issue, maybe not so important, but serious for some:
portability. If you travel on business and rent a car, you are usually
stuck using the cash lanes on local toll roads. Even if you have a
working transponder at home which is compatible with the local system,
you aren't supposed to try using it. The transponder is only valid for
use in a registered vehicle, which your rental car isn't.

Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA  "Politics is the business of getting
dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359    power and privilege without
dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu           possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke

------------------------------

From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:05:45 -0800
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com


On 31 Mar 2005 11:54:41 -0800, Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer

> PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman
> who spent 15 years connected to a feeding tube in an epic legal and
> medical battle that went all the way to the White House and Congress,
> died Thursday, 13 days after the tube was removed. She was 41.

This topic has occupied the national media now for more than 15 years.
What it has to do with telecom is beyond my comprehension.  Why we
have to see yet another re-hashing of this non-topical business here
mystifies me.  Yes, her circumstance is tragic.  No, it doesn't belong
here.  It's been all over the national news.  We don't need it here.
I'm really starting to wonder what the editor of this digest/news
group's rationale for putting this stuff here.  More and more stuff is
ending up in this space and it has absolutely nothing to do with
telecom and why is it here?


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You should see the Terri Shiavo crapola
which shows up in my mailbox in a day's -- no, several hours' -- time
I _do not_ print here. As Monty Solomon points out a couple messages
 from now in this issue, her father sold the rights to the mailing
list of people who had been moved enough in recent days to write him
or his wife. So, even if all you did was take a few seconds to send
them a note saying "I am sorry about your grief", your name and _email
address_ has now been sold -- at a pretty penny I might add -- to 
spammers who wanted that list so _they_ could milk it also for all 
their cracked-pot causes, etc. Just read the message elsewhere in this
issue; don't take my word for it.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: jmeissen@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: Obituary: Schiavo Dies After Feeding Tube Removed
Date: 3 Apr 2005 05:05:12 GMT
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com


In article <telecom24.141.15@telecom-digest.org>,
<hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

> This kind of thinking is really disturbing.  The intimates are
> certainly entitled to their point of view.  However, other familes
> simply do not share those religious attitudes about medical care.  

What is more disturbing, in my mind, is that once they decided to let
the body die (regardless of the state of the mind), they chose to let
it happen through two weeks of starvation and dehydration.

This is a sad statement about humanity, that we'll use drugs to
painlessly put a mortally wounded dog out of its misery, but a human
body must be forced to endure two weeks of torture until its organs
fail.

And even as Shiavo fades into memory, the feds continue their assault 
on Oregon's Death With Dignity laws ... what a bizarre society
we live in.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What do you mean, 'Shiavo fades into
memory ...' _they_ are not going to allow that to happen. The net,
like many broadcasting stations in recent weeks is going to convert to
'All Schiavo news, all the time'. And you call this a 'bizarre
society'?  As Lisa Minter explained it to me last week, when news that
a top honcho in Boy Scouts of America (I am sure you've heard of them,
and _their_ posture on how everything good and patriotic about America
does *not* include H-people) got arrested by police and confessed to
_being a pedophile_ when several hundred pictures of little boys naked
and engaging in sex were found on his computer at BSA headquarters;
my, oh my ... well Lisa said, "This society is really fuc--d." Yeah, I
have to wonder.

Now for today's Terri Shiavo report, here is Monty Solomon.  PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:22:42 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm


By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and JOHN SCHWARTZ

WASHINGTON, March 28 - The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a 
conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial 
supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her 
plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from 
anti-abortion and conservative groups.

"These compassionate pro-lifers donated toward Bob Schindler's legal 
battle to keep Terri's estranged husband from removing the feeding 
tube from Terri," says a description of the list on the Web site of 
the firm, Response Unlimited, which is asking $150 a month for 6,000 
names and $500 a month for 4,000 e-mail addresses of people who 
responded last month to an e-mail plea from Ms. Schiavo's father. 
"These individuals are passionate about the way they value human 
life, adamantly oppose euthanasia and are pro-life in every sense of 
the word!"

Privacy experts said the sale of the list was legal and even 
predictable, if ghoulish.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/politics/29donate.html?ex=1269752400&en=f1312f1b5ae170ad&ei=5090


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From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Subject: Re: Does Your Computer Look Like This?
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:43:20 -0600
Organization: Wizard Information


It was a dark and stormy night when Patrick Townson
<ptownson@cableone.net> wrote:

> http://www.mountainwings.com/past/5082.htm

> This is _not_ an April Fool's joke.   

Maybe not by *you*.  But it's photoshopped.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp even has the original
picture (a museum exhibit of a submarine's control room) that was
modified.  (Notice there's something Escher-like about the way the paper
hangs in that printer.. at the top it's at the rear of the printer, but
hanging straight down somehow it's close to the front when it gets to
the bottom.  And the printer's design is more '60s than '50s.)

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From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.cox.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: Does Your Computer Look Like This?
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:16:50 -0400


In article <telecom24.141.13@telecom-digest.org>, 
paul+usenet@w6yx.stanford.edu says:

> Patrick Townson <ptownson@cableone.net> wrote:

>> In 1954, the  well-known Popular Electronics Magazine in connection
>> with the Rand Corporation put together an artist's conception of what
>> computers would look like in fifty years, in 2004. Look at it here. 

>> http://www.mountainwings.com/past/5082.htm

> Wasn't this a FARK photoshop contest entry?

Yes it was. That's a DEC LA36 printing terminal if I'm not mistaken. 


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So what does this have to do with
Terry Shiavo?   PAT]

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From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Classic Telephone Call on PC
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:48:41 -0000
Organization: Widgets, Inc.


In article <telecom24.142.9@telecom-digest.org>, Gerhard Nowak
<nonspam@gmx.net> wrote:

> Thanks for answering.  Now I`m a bit released.  I just thought, only I
> don't see the solution.

> But why is it working on VoIp so easily?

> My problem is to connect my international calls via VoIp to local
> calls from people don`t have ADSL so that these people can talk
> together.  Here in Mauritius not many people can afford ADSL and is
> much more expensive than in the States or in Europe.

> I thought, the realisation of this idea must be much easier ...

Heck, why didn't you _say_ that's what you wanted to do?  Doing -that-
is an entirely different matter than what you first asked about.

See <http://www.asterisk.org>

The price is right -- the software is free, Although it won't run
under MS Windows, the Windows "replacement" that is required is also
free.

> But thanks anyway I will continue to look for a possibility, maybe I can
> at least manage to weld the Phone-cable to my headset ... like in the
> old times with accoustic coupler ... or switch to Linux.

Ding, ding, ding!  we have a winner!   Asterisk requires Linux, or similar.

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From: SELLCOM Tech support <support@sellcom.com>
Subject: Re: New Sponsor Comes on Board With Digest Web Site
Organization: www.sellcom.com
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:27:53 GMT


TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org> posted on that
vast internet thingie:

> an online casino service

Have you no ethics at all?

Steve

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5.8Ghz 2line; TMC ET4300 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Brickmail voicemail
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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: About as many as you have. PAT]

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