From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Apr 20 16:06:06 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) id i3KK66902043; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200404202006.i3KK66902043@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #197 TELECOM Digest Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:06:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 197 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson And Now, Usenet c.d.t. is Ruined Also! (TELECOM Digest Editor) Live, Digital Video Heading to U.S. Police Cars (Monty Solomon) EarthLink Reports First Quarter 2004 Results (Monty Solomon) i2Telecom and StreamCast's Morpheus Global VoIP Solution (VOIP News) Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 (Scott Dorsey) Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 (jtaylor) Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 (John Levine) Paying for Incoming Mobile Phone Calls (Sachin Kailaje) Re: Spam Issues (SELLCOM Tech support) Re: Telecom Changes, was Re: Who is "VOIP News"? (Dave Garland) Re: Who is "VOIP News"? (Steven J Sobol) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:00:00 CDT When I got up this morning, it was not enough that I find almost a gig of virii and spam **in our archives themelves** waiting to be cleaned out (a daily project now for a few months and one I have agreed to deal with), nor is it enough that an equal amount of the crap is waiting in the form of email from wherever, mixed in with perhaps well-meaning but ill-informed people who send in their html messages to this *text-based* Digest which I *attempt* to reconstruct and use if possible, but now comes word from Carl Navarro that someone has hijacked c.d.t. and raped it totally. Read this series of sad messages he and I exchanged earlier today: From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: CONGRESS SHOULD BEGIN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OF BUSH AND CHENEY Reply-To: cnavarro@wcnet.org Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:17:15 GMT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:27:53 GMT, Eric Demeester wrote: > Nader: Iraq an Unconstitutional, Illegal War Snip some bullshit Newsgroups: [TDE says please note!] comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.dcom.telecom,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.text.interleaf Pat, I always figure that if someone has to crosspost his ideas to more than 2 newsgroups it doesn't belong in the digest. Outside of VOIP news, you've managed to do just that as the moderator. Please don't tell me you're slipping :-) Carl Navarro Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:53:53 -0400 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: CONGRESS SHOULD BEGIN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OF BUSH AND At 12:28 PM 4/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: > That message ***did not*** come from me or from anything to do with > TELECOM Digest! And I will not take the blame for it! Please check > the headers (for whatever they are worth these days. Damn! > PAT If this is a moderated group, you have the ability to stop the message from posting don't you? This was posted in multiple groups before it got to you, and in other multiple groups throughout usenet. PERHAPS THE KEY IS THAT THE SUBJECT IS IN ALL CAPS or that it might contain !!! abnormal punctuation in the subject. Carl Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:51:15 -0400 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: CONGRESS SHOULD BEGIN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OF BUSH AND At 12:43 PM 4/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: > I never even saw the god-damned thing until you showed it to me. It > was NEVER in my mail queue. It was NEVER in anything I deal with here. > Telecom, like other moderated newsgroups either has to be approved by > some legitimate moderator *or* else the approval has to be forged. So can the forged header propogate to all the news servers and appear as though it was a legitimate message in c.d.t? No wonder people get pissed off when newsgroups get hijacked. I hope whoever did it feels better now :-) Carl [Final rejoinder from PAT:] In Usenet's Age of Innocence, it was quite sufficient to add a line to the header indicia saying 'Approved-By' (whomever) and in moderated newsgroups that phrase would tell 'the computer' to go ahead and distribute the message. Without that line, message had to go to moderator's mailbox. Of course, 99.96 percent of what comes in the moderator's mailbox is trash and people's 'contributions' did not get 'published'. Then people discovered how easy it was to add that line to the header and do their own self-approval and get their spam, etc directly in the newsgroups anyway, so that good idea was ruined. Then I invented (well, I was not, even in the old days pre-brain aneurysm, smart enough to 'invent' anything), actually discussed with Gene Spafford and John Levine and a couple others of the Usenet authorities the idea of encypting the 'Approved By' line. In other words, don't trigger on the phrase 'Approved by followed by anything' but rather, trigger on the encrypted anything in that line. So trigger the direction the message travels (to news stream or moderator's mailbox) based on the validity of the sribbles following the 'approved by line', so that a message saying 'approved by correct md5 sum' gets passed, etc. Well the guys pointed out to me what was to prevent the spammers, etc from applying thier own md5 sum (which the issuing computer would of course have to verify prior to message release). Once in the stream who would be able to stop it? My answer was go to two or three of the very large, prominent news servers around the world, and mutually agree with them on a group of passwords for md5 sum to use. Now as moderator, I put my passworded, [approved by encryption] message in the stream. As my messages pass up the stream toward prominent well connected news server, a fisherman-bot sits there looking in the stream to see what he can find, i.e. messages intended to go to a moderated group such as telecom. Fisherman-bot looks at what he finds, and examines the passworded encryption. If all is cool, he tosses it back in the stream, but if the passworded encyption is bad he does a few things: 1) immediatly issues a control-cancel to every news server everywhere, while the spam junk is still fresh enough that a control-cancel means something; 2) Warns the other fishermen-bots to watch out for what he found, so they also can begin sending control-cancels as well, up and down the stream; 3) Sends a copy of whatever pollution found either to the group moderator or other spam-investigator as desired; 4) Then finally summarily kills the spam with no notice at all to the supposed, claimed spammer; just dispatches it. When I first came up with this scheme around 1996-97, while living in Chicago before migrating to my new home in Kansas, C.D.T. was getting pounded with a lot of spam and other unauthorized postings. I made a deal with a couple news server admins to watch for stuff in comp. dcom.telecom using that 'Approved by passworded encrypyted' technique and it cut out the hijacking of C.D.T. entirely, and yes, the fisherman-bots would find things almost daily. Then I got sick and a year or so later, as I started coming back on duty here, the bot was no longer running. Someone said it was ineffective and used to much cpu time. But I sure wish it was running again. Patrick Townson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:14:54 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Live, Digital Video Heading to U.S. Police Cars by Jon Herskovitz DALLAS, April 20 (Reuters) - Drunk-and-disorderly calls and other police blotter entries are about to go live and digital in Tyler, Texas, thanks to a new system that puts digital video cameras on the city's police cars and links them through a wireless network. The east Texas city next month will start to install a digital video system designed to beam TV images of any police action in real-time from the police department's 60 cruisers over a wireless network back to headquarters, IBM officials and Tyler police said on Tuesday. They said this will be the first digital video network for cruisers in a U.S. police force. Numerous police forces currently use dashboard-mounted video cameras that record police stops on tape. The technology from International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM) will grab and store video on a hard drive in the police car, going back to retrieve data starting four minutes prior to the officer's hitting "record" or flipping on the overhead pursuit lights. This will help capture the probable cause for the police action, they said. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41109253 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:16:12 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EarthLink Reports First Quarter 2004 Results ATLANTA, April 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- EarthLink, Inc. (Nasdaq: ELNK) today announced financial results for its first quarter ending March 31, 2004. Highlights for the quarter include: * Net subscriber growth in the quarter of 98,000 * Revenues of $351.6 million, compared to $353.7 million from the first quarter of 2003 * Earnings before interest income and expense, income taxes, * depreciation and amortization, and facility exit costs (adjusted EBITDA, a * non-GAAP measure) of $42.7 million compared to $22.0 million from the first quarter of 2003 * Earnings before facility exit costs (a non-GAAP measure) of $18.4 million, or $0.11 per share, compared to a loss of ($29.1) * million, or )$0.19) per share, from the first quarter of 2003 * Net loss of ($11.8) million, or ($0.07) per share compared to a * loss of ($65.7) million, or ($0.43) per share, from the first quarter of 2003 - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41110522 ------------------------------ From: VOIP News Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:11:23 -0400 Subject: i2Telecom and StreamCast's Morpheus Global VoIP Solution Now Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com This is the press release on the "Morpheus Voicebox" product. The thing that I'm not seeing here is any provision to receive calls from the PSTN - basically it appears to be an outgoing-only service (unless I am missing something here) and a way to call other "Morpheus Voicebox" users, and priced higher than some of the other services that do allow incoming calls. If someone just wants a way to call others who have similar equipment, then they could use Free World Dialup or SIPphone and pay no monthly fee at all, and for making outgoing calls to the PSTN there are cheaper alternatives that do permit incoming calls. So, I don't think this service will have a big impact, but here are the details of their offer anyway. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi-content=NEWS_VIEW_POPUP_TYPE&newsId=20040420005489&newsLang=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view_popup or http://www.i2telecom.com/press_materials/releases/2004-4-20.pdf i2TELECOM AND STREAMCAST's MORPHEUS GLOBAL VoIP SOLUTION NOW AVAILABLE - Two-For-One Product Launch of Morpheus Voicebox Enables Anyone with Broadband to Use Standard Phones to Make Unlimited Free Calls Over the Internet to Other Users Anywhere in the World - - Users Can Choose From Three Different Low Cost Plans for Making Long Distance Calls to Regular Phones Across the Globe - BOCA RATON, FLORIDA and LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - April 20, 2004 - i2Telecom International, Inc. (OTCBB:ITUI), an emerging leader in voice data communications technology for the Internet, and StreamCast Networks, Inc., the creators of the popular Morpheus peer-to-peer file sharing and search software, have 'gone live' with their consumer Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) offering outlined in February. The 'Two-For-One' launch of the Morpheus Voicebox allows family, friends and colleagues the immediate ability to enjoy free 'box to box' calling regardless of where they live or work, and dramatically reduces the cost of long distance calls to standard phones anywhere in the world. The exclusive global partnership between i2Telecom and StreamCast is the first of its kind between a VoIP company and a peer-to-peer file sharing and search application company. "Our high-quality and low cost VoIP solution coupled with StreamCast's following of loyal Morpheus users has the potential to accelerate consumer adoption of VoIP well beyond levels seen in our industry to date," said Rick Scherle,Senior Vice President of Marketing for i2Telecom. "Further, our Two-For- One launch of the Morpheus Voicebox means that family, friends and colleagues can immediately sidestep traditional phone companies to make unlimited, high quality free calls to one another no matter how far apart they live or work. "We are proud to be leading the way in providing millions of Morpheus users with cutting edge technology that changes the way people can use the Internet to communicate," Michael Weiss, CEO of StreamCast Networks, Inc. stated. "Morpheus is bringing together its wide base of tech-savvy users with a practical, efficient and economical way to extend their IP communication capabilities." StreamCast Networks is an established global communications technology company. Morpheus distributed P2P solution, downloaded over 122 million times, revolutionized the way consumers use the Internet on their computer, StreamCast Networks Vice President of Business Development Elizabeth Cowley added. "The Morpheus Voicebox VoIP hardware solution will, likewise, transform the way consumers use the Internet beyond the PC." i2Telecoms micro-gateway product suite, including the Morpheus Voicebox and its worldwide network, enable users anywhere to leverage the power of the Internet to dramatically reduce long distance phone costs. i2Telecoms end-to-end VoIP solutions deliver the carrier-class quality demanded by users. Product and Pricing Information: Two-For-One Launch Special effective until May 15, 2004. Buy one Morpheus Voicebox unit for just $49.95 with FREE activation - and receive an Instant Email Coupon for a FREE second Voicebox with FREE activation. Instant Email Coupons for FREE Voiceboxes may be redeemed by the customer or forwarded to anyone for their use. This way family, friends or colleagues can get a free Voicebox and make free Internet calls to each other anywhere in the world. After May 15, 2004 The Morpheus Voicebox costs just $49.95, with a one-time activation fee of only $25 to connect too i2Telecoms global network. All customers will receive free 24/7 tech support as part of their service plan. All customers will receive an unconditional 30-day money back guarantee. Unlimited Global Community calling plan for $6.95/month. Unlimited free calling to other Morpheus Voicebox™ customers anywhere in the world. Calls to all U.S. and Canadian telephones cost only 3.9 cents per minute. Calls to telephones outside of the U.S. and Canada at rock-bottom international calling rates. Users can also add optional calling plans: North America 1000 Plan additional $8.00/month. 1,000 minutes of calls from anywhere in the world to all U.S. and Canadian telephones for less than 1 cent per minute! Any additional minutes to the U.S. and Canada cost just 3.9 cents per minute. Calls to telephones outside of the U.S. and Canada are billed at rock-bottom international calling rates. North America Unlimited Plan additional $18.00/month. Make unlimited calls from anynwhere in the world to all U.S. and Canadian telephones. Calls to telephones outside of the U.S. and Canada are billed at rock-bottom international calling rates. The Morpheus Voicebox is a small plug and run microgateway device that is incredibly easy to install with any Internet connection and any standard telephone. The Morpheus Voicebox is portable, can travel with you anywhere in the world and also works with wireless routers. For additional product information, including international calling rates, visit www.morpheusvoicebox.com. The i2Telecom/StreamCast Networks business partnership draws much of its strength from the global nature of each company's offerings and capabilities. Morpheus users are located everywhere around the globe and i2Telecoms VoIP network and technology works anywhere in the world. ------------------------------ From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 Date: 20 Apr 2004 09:58:28 -0400 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Tony P. wrote: > The other thing to remember is that NTSC has been the standard since > the beginning of television. Even when color came around (Which is an > odd little kludge to deliver color!) the old B&W sets still worked, > even a set made close to 60 years ago can still pull signals out of > the air and display moving images. In the US, yes. But remember that in Europe they took the new color standards as an opportunity to dump all of the old incompatible B&W formats. It took a good while to phase them out (I remember the 405 line stuff in the UK, and the 849 line stuff in France operating until the 1980s), and it took a lot of trouble to broadcast in multiple formats at once, but the change did take place. And perhaps we need to look at the European experiences in our move to ATV. > The switch to HDTV is a whole different ball game. No backward > compatibility at all. This is unique, particularly when you consider the > rapid change that has occurred in the voice telecom field, yet you can > still wire in a set made a century ago and use it. And VoIP providers > just provide a standard POTS port on their routers except they may not > interpret dial-pulse. But essentially it's the same. The thing is that there is more programming today than ever before, and the TV receivers are cheaper than ever before and get replaced more quickly than ever before. The first item makes the ATV conversion harder, the latter two make it easier. --scott "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." ------------------------------ From: jtaylor Subject: Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:33:12 -0300 Organization: MCI Canada News Reader Service Mark Crispin wrote in message news:telecom23.195.20@telecom-digest.org: > In the case of cellular, they ran out of bandwidth and had to move to > digital in order to serve more customers. Digital cellular occupies > much more bandwidth than analog. Is there an un-forced error in the second sentence above, or is there something else about cellular telephonology (?) that explains the conflicting statements? ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2004 03:34:33 -0000 From: John Levine Subject: Re: Feds: No Analog TV by '09 Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > I suspect that most analog cell phone use today is from dual > analog/digital phones which can't get the digital signal and thus > switch to analog. I dunno. If I still spent a lot of time in rural Vermont, I might well still have my old 3W analog car phone which could reliably contact a cell tower 25 miles away if I parked on top of a hill. Regards, John Levine johnl@iecc.com Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies" Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, Mayor "I shook hands with Senators Dole and Inouye," said Tom, disarmingly. ------------------------------ From: skailaje@hotmail.com (Sachin Kailaje) Subject: Paying For Incoming Mobile Phone Calls Date: 20 Apr 2004 02:51:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Hi, I am from India and I was talking to a friend in the U.S.A. yesterday and I got to know that his mobile phone service-provider charges minutes (talk-time) even for incoming calls. In India, we used to have that (charged incoming calls) when the mobile phone services started emerging a few years back. However, a couple of years earlier, it was ruled by the telecom regulating authority in India that the incoming calls on a mobile phone should be free of cost, just as it is for land-line phones in India (or in the U.S.A., and I hope in the rest of the world too). My question is: Do all mobile phone rate plans in the U.S.A. charge talk-time for the incoming calls? If Yes, then why isn't anybody demanding that incoming calls be free for the mobile phones there? I don't know about the U.S., but in India, it made a phenomenal difference in the number of people grabbing onto a mobile phone subscription once incoming calls got free-of-charge and the outgoing calls rates reduces from Rs.16 a minute to Rs.1-2 per minute! Also, we have lesser 'phone-rage' when someone dials to a wrong number and it turns out to be a mobile phone!! ;) Unless, of course, the callee happens to be outside his/her call circle, is in the 'roaming mode', and is being charged a roaming charge even for incoming calls ... :( Any comments? Thanks, Sachin Kailaje. India. ------------------------------ From: SELLCOM Tech support Subject: Re: Spam Issues Organization: www.sellcom.com Reply-To: support@sellcom.com Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:39:41 GMT werner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu posted on that vast internet thingie: > First and foremost, no, this topic should never have made it > in here (I think). If I had *any* idea what all would come crawling out of the woodwork, I would not have started the thread here. I recall seeing several articles here regarding spam that seemed quite appropriate here. I still feel that blackhole lists that are run in a negligent sloppy manner like FIVETEN are a threat to the real legitimate list managers who provide a valuable service. Steve at SELLCOM http://www.sellcom.com Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic, Motorola Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard! Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Mini-Splitter log splitter! If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: Telecom Changes, was Re: Who is "VOIP News"? Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:42:24 -0500 Organization: Wizard Information It was a dark and stormy night when Danny Burstein wrote: > Bluntly, why should I get charged an extra $10/month so someone else > (whether an individual, a stockholder, or a government) gets an easy > ride? > (And no doubt there are similar handouts in my direction. Fine. Identify > them and let's thrown them all in the fire). I agree with you in principle. But the problem is, these cross-subsidies are all over the place, and it would be extremely disruptive to change them. For example, if highway users were to pay all the expense of building and maintaining roads and highways (construction, repair, snow removal, law enforcement, compensating local jurisdictions for land removed from tax rolls, losses due to auto accidents, environmental damage due to vehicle operation, etc.) the gas tax would have to be much much higher. Instead, we fund much of that out of other taxes. Once you've started doing that stuff (say, you've decided that there's a national economic or security value in having everyone have a telephone) and introduced ways to finance it, it's very hard to go back, since you quickly acquire entrenched interests. ------------------------------ From: Steven J Sobol Subject: Re: Who is "VOIP News"? Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:23:01 -0500 Steven J Sobol wrote: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There is even a way around that. If you > go to *my* news reader for telecom stuff at http://telecom-digest.org I prefer to read my newsgroups using tin ... > script before he passed on, he pointed out "this is a good way to get > rid of the tyranny of Usenet." It has worked quite well for that > purpose. PAT] But some of us like Usenet. :-( JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/ "someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, sure. Even I used to read Usenet daily until it got to the point that there were so many messages and so many newsgroups it was very hard to keep up with *and* do my own group as well. 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